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Old 07-05-2019, 07:02 AM   #1
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$$$ cost of the E-450 option?

Anyone know what the E-450 option is for the 22M?

The CCC of the 22M on the E-350 chassis is practically non-existant. For 2020 it's only 1250 according to the info on the Lightsinn RV website.

Anyway I looked at the number, I'd be over loaded unless I magically lost about 80 pounds, and I traveled with empty tanks.

I'd be all for getting a used one except all used ones, and new ones for that matter are on the E-350 chassis.

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Old 07-05-2019, 12:11 PM   #2
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When I ordered mine in late November of 2018, the retail cost of the E-350 to E-450 upgrade was $3,625. I did not order the stabilizing jacks, which had a retail cost of $798. The reason to not get this option is two-fold; the jacks become the low-point in the back, and an E-450 frame is stiffer, reducing the benefit of said jacks. If you were lucky as I was to get in on the Winnebago and Ford special offer on the 22M, then you might get a discount of about -25%. I calculated my net upgrade cost as follows:
$3,625 = E-350 to E-450 upgrade
<-$798> = Don't buy the optional stabilizing jacks
$2,827 = net retail cost
$2,120 = our -25% discounted "cost"
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Old 07-05-2019, 09:51 PM   #3
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When I ordered mine in late November of 2018, the retail cost of the E-350 to E-450 upgrade was $3,625. I did not order the stabilizing jacks, which had a retail cost of $798. The reason to not get this option is two-fold; the jacks become the low-point in the back, and an E-450 frame is stiffer, reducing the benefit of said jacks. If you were lucky as I was to get in on the Winnebago and Ford special offer on the 22M, then you might get a discount of about -25%. I calculated my net upgrade cost as follows:
$3,625 = E-350 to E-450 upgrade
<-$798> = Don't buy the optional stabilizing jacks
$2,827 = net retail cost
$2,120 = our -25% discounted "cost"
Thanks. Unfortunately, ordering one adds several months to the process. Depending on the time of the year, that much delay might be a deal killer. I wish Winnebago would just build on the E-450 chassis and be done with it.
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Old 07-05-2019, 11:05 PM   #4
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Can you ask your local dealer to do a search for an E-450 22M which has your desired options? If they find one, they might be able to do a dealer-trade for it. Another thought is to rent while your E-450 22M is being built.
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Old 07-05-2019, 11:41 PM   #5
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Our 2018 22M is on 2017 E 450 chassis, and it came with the stabilizers - standard fit in that year model. We have found that when our adult son sleeps in the cab bunk the unit tends to rock a fair bit, and the stabilizers help to minimize that.

We insisted on the E 450 chassis thinking of resale when the time comes. We do not haul a toad but someone might, and the size of the 24M makes it ideal for towing a boat. Having the larger brakes is also an undeniable advantage.

I have not run over a scale, but we are very aware of keeping our load to a minimum; but I usually travel with at least half a tank full of water (80 litres), propane topped up and both holding tanks dry. In addition I try to never go below one half tank of fuel (110 litres).
Sorry I cannot offer hard numbers as to actual weights, but I do know the unit is very stable, even when passed by large rigs at highway speeds.

Of course you have to make your own decisions for what works best for you but as far as the wife and I go we feel that even if there is a stiffer ride with the E 450 (never driven a 22M on an E 350 so can’t speak to that) we strongly believe all the advantages of it far outweigh any disadvantages that some folks might feel, and again we use the stabilizers whenever we put the slide out - even one nighters at Hwy rest stops.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:24 AM   #6
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Our 2018 22M is on 2017 E 450 chassis, and it came with the stabilizers - standard fit in that year model. We have found that when our adult son sleeps in the cab bunk the unit tends to rock a fair bit, and the stabilizers help to minimize that.

We insisted on the E 450 chassis thinking of resale when the time comes. We do not haul a toad but someone might, and the size of the 24M makes it ideal for towing a boat. Having the larger brakes is also an undeniable advantage.

I have not run over a scale, but we are very aware of keeping our load to a minimum; but I usually travel with at least half a tank full of water (80 litres), propane topped up and both holding tanks dry. In addition I try to never go below one half tank of fuel (110 litres).
Sorry I cannot offer hard numbers as to actual weights, but I do know the unit is very stable, even when passed by large rigs at highway speeds.

Of course you have to make your own decisions for what works best for you but as far as the wife and I go we feel that even if there is a stiffer ride with the E 450 (never driven a 22M on an E 350 so canít speak to that) we strongly believe all the advantages of it far outweigh any disadvantages that some folks might feel, and again we use the stabilizers whenever we put the slide out - even one nighters at Hwy rest stops.
Did you special order the 450 or find it on the lot? I am going to get the 22m and would like to know what was the price you paid for yours? I will wait till next spring and try to get the best deal on a 2020 after the 2021 models start arriving. Thanks, Les
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Old 08-05-2019, 12:51 PM   #7
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Just as a for-what-it's-worth note: Two other superb outstanding quality U.S. Class C manufacturers - Lazy Daze and Coach House - build all of their models on ONLY the E450 chassis.

Our 13 year old 24 foot 2005 Itasca (Winnebago) Class C is on an E450 chassis. It drives rock solid in all conditions, doesn't rock when moving inside it camping, and with around 76K miles on it has NEVER YET needed new front brake pads. That's one of the advantages of the "chassis overkill" you get when you buy a very small Class C on an E450 chassis.

We can easily travel with all tanks full plus a load of rocks (we're rockhounds) ... with no change in handling ... even when pulling our boat. We driven it in excess of 11,000 feet alttitude and the V10 doesn't even care ... due partly to the fact that the E450 has a great pulling-power 4:56 ratio rear differential.

P.S. The E450 chassis also has a wider rear stance/track than the E350 chassis - which makes for more sideways (lateral) stability in side-winds and on highway curves.
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AtleeH, Did you ever find an E450 22m or did you order one? I am in the same boat as you, I don't want a 100% loaded vehicle 100% of the time as is the case with most E350. In fact I imagine most folks don't realized they are actually overloaded most of the time.
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Hi Scott,
The 2021 Ford E-350 Chassis carries 1,000 pounds more than the old Chassis. For a 22M with the E-350 Chassis, you should be able to carry somewhere around 2,300 pounds of cargo. The E-450 22M should carry about 4,300 pounds of cargo.
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And sorry Marine Less; I didn't reply to you back in July 19. Missed the post.

We bought ours off a lot in Summerland BC up in the Okanagon area (oddly enough called Summerland RV). The model had just come out when we saw one at the local dealer here on Vancouver Island, but it was on the E 350. They had another one coming in but again on the E 350. Found ours on line up at Summerland and after a bunch of e mails and phone calls we struck a deal. Got a very competative price on it but that is now irrelevant as prices are much higher now (COVID for one & the 2021 is using the 7.3 L V8 engine).
On another note;
I do see some minor differences/upgrades with the 2021 model. I note the E 450 chassis, dual pane windows and electric stabilizers are stii available as an option, but they have replaced the glass shower door with the squeegee type, and the vent fan motors have been upgrded but still not sure how well they'll work. We changed out our bathroom with a Maxx Air unit.
Biggest differences I see are the upgrades to the drivers conviences, assosciated with the new power plant - finally jumped into the twentieth century.
I traded ours in this March and it was sold within a week, went for ~$85K Cdn, and that was just at the start of COVID Lock downs here.
Hope you guys found the 450 chassis units you were searching for. Personally I would not have purchased one on the 350, but that's just me.
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