Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-03-2011, 01:03 PM   #1
Winnebago Camper
 
Roll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Ohio (Columbus)
Posts: 16
Looking at a 2012 Journey 36 M Question?

I can't find the net carrying capacity listed anywhere here on the web.

I fear its lower than you might expect since they list storage in square feet not in pounds.

Anyone know what it is?

Roll
__________________
2011 Coachmen Encounter 37TZ Ford F-53,BluOx/Patriot.Toad:2012 Wrangler Unltd Sahara. Invert-4/6Vbatts-SolarChg-AutoTransSw-WG traveler-HDMICbls-SafeTPlus-track bar-Awnings-GenAutoSt-CHF-pwr cord storage sys-Garmin-outsideHDTV, LED interior lighting, Brazels tuning.
Roll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2011, 04:27 PM   #2
Winnie-Wise
 
rream's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 346
just picked up a brochure this morning

GCWR 42350
GVWR 32350
__________________
2012 Winnebago Journey 36M Cummins 360
2014 Jeep Cherokee Limited, Air Force One
277 Campgrounds, 1350 nights camping since 2009 and 61 K Winnebago miles
rream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2011, 06:45 PM   #3
Winnebago Owner
 
Keith K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 94
If you're looking at one, there will be a listing of all of the weight capacities including CCC on a wall somewhere; usually in the wardrobe.
__________________
Fulltiming in a 2006 Ellipse 40FD

Our blog
Keith K is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 01:46 AM   #4
Winnie-Wise
 
Journey39n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: on a constant, around the country, trip!
Posts: 402
GCWR of 42350 - 10000 towing = 32350 GVWR

What you need is the CCC (Cargo Carrying Capacity)

Don't forget to figure in your water and waste tanks into the number, depending upon how much you will carry on normal trips.

From other Journeys I have seen, I would expect a CCC rating of 2500 to 3500 pounds.
__________________
2010 Journey 39n - 2017 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk - this our 12th year living aboard, traveling in the midwest for the summer, trying to use as little diesel as possible!
Journey39n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 04:46 AM   #5
Winnebago Camper
 
Roll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Ohio (Columbus)
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by rream View Post
just picked up a brochure this morning

GCWR 42350
GVWR 32350

The NCCC or CCC is not in the brochure as far as i could find.
__________________
2011 Coachmen Encounter 37TZ Ford F-53,BluOx/Patriot.Toad:2012 Wrangler Unltd Sahara. Invert-4/6Vbatts-SolarChg-AutoTransSw-WG traveler-HDMICbls-SafeTPlus-track bar-Awnings-GenAutoSt-CHF-pwr cord storage sys-Garmin-outsideHDTV, LED interior lighting, Brazels tuning.
Roll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 04:48 AM   #6
Winnebago Camper
 
Roll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Ohio (Columbus)
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith K View Post
If you're looking at one, there will be a listing of all of the weight capacities including CCC on a wall somewhere; usually in the wardrobe.

Thanks... Understood, I just didn't have access to a Journey to check the posted CCC.
__________________
2011 Coachmen Encounter 37TZ Ford F-53,BluOx/Patriot.Toad:2012 Wrangler Unltd Sahara. Invert-4/6Vbatts-SolarChg-AutoTransSw-WG traveler-HDMICbls-SafeTPlus-track bar-Awnings-GenAutoSt-CHF-pwr cord storage sys-Garmin-outsideHDTV, LED interior lighting, Brazels tuning.
Roll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 05:00 AM   #7
Winnebago Camper
 
Roll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Ohio (Columbus)
Posts: 16
[QUOTE=Journey39n;100073

From other Journeys I have seen, I would expect a CCC rating of 2500 to 3500 pounds.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. Thought so. 2500 would be pretty light for a diesel chassis. I've got 4100 + in CCC on my gas chassis (Ford F53) which typically would have much less capacity than most diesel pushers. Don't get me wrong I want a DP and the 2012 Journey 36M is a beautiful DP....... I need more carrying capacity though. Maybe I'll ask the salesman to pull the actual number for me.

Thanks all,

Roll
__________________
2011 Coachmen Encounter 37TZ Ford F-53,BluOx/Patriot.Toad:2012 Wrangler Unltd Sahara. Invert-4/6Vbatts-SolarChg-AutoTransSw-WG traveler-HDMICbls-SafeTPlus-track bar-Awnings-GenAutoSt-CHF-pwr cord storage sys-Garmin-outsideHDTV, LED interior lighting, Brazels tuning.
Roll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 03:49 PM   #8
Winnie-Wise
 
Journey39n's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: on a constant, around the country, trip!
Posts: 402
I can't say for sure on your gas chassis, but manufactures over the years have calculated CCC differently. Some include hitch weight and towing to get higher numbers. In the last few years, they have gotten more consistant, and realistic.

You will be surprised to find that many gas units and smaller diesels are close to being overloaded, and even the big tag axel DP's when loaded with ceramic tile, heavy countertops, seperate washers & dryers, extra bathrooms, residential refers, etc. don't have that much 'real' cargo capacity.

With Winnebagoes of late, there is a yellow sticker on the inside of the entrance door and by the driver's seat that lists the various weights. And I have seen that they don't include water weight, but mention you need to subtract the 8.3 pounds per gallon of water carried.

My DP has about 3400 for the CCC, before water weight is subtracted.
__________________
2010 Journey 39n - 2017 Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk - this our 12th year living aboard, traveling in the midwest for the summer, trying to use as little diesel as possible!
Journey39n is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 07:00 PM   #9
Winnie-Wise
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Waynesboro,PA USA
Posts: 307
Our 36 G with washer/dryer factory installed has a CCC of 3774, no ceramic tile floors.
__________________
Downsized Winnebago C, 24 V /08 Saturn Vue/2014 Town and Country Van/03 Goldwing (Big Red)Recently triked Roadsmith kit
Beabop is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 07:12 PM   #10
Winnie-Wise
 
majfrizz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Somewhere Warm
Posts: 317
i just reconfirmed my CCC on the 2007 Journey 36SG, it is 4,995 lbs.
__________________
Retired Army--Bob--2014 Tour 42QD
2015 GMC Canyon SLT Crew Cab 4WD
2001 Honda Goldwing
majfrizz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2011, 08:03 PM   #11
Winnebago Master
 
bobmac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Southern Ontario
Posts: 559
Just a "heads up" regarding CCC information from other coaches.
The standard calculation for CCC was changed in the RV industry with the 2009 model year. Prior to that CCC included 156 lbs for each available sleeping spot / occupant. The "new" calculation of CCC does not include occupants and is now called "OCCC" for "Occupant and Cargo Carrying Capacity". The new OCCC appears to be much greater than typical older CCCs but be careful of this new math. Winnebago issued a "Service Tip 2009-02" entitled "New Weight Label" describing this change.
The label shows the weight of a full tank of water but it must be deducted from the OCCC number as must the number of occupants and other tankage before you can see what you actually have left for cargo.
You can download this Service Tip from the Winnebago web site under Resources - Sevice - Service Tips.
In terms of getting the OCCC for a 36M, you might call Owner Relations at Winnebago and ask them what is typical or what the range is. I am sure they would be willing to provide it as well as answer your questions.
__________________
Bob
09 Journey 39Z
Southern Ontario
bobmac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2011, 07:30 AM   #12
Winnebago Owner
 
Luckiest Dreamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Iowa
Posts: 123
Here is a link to the Journey spec's
Winnebago Motor Homes - 2012 Journey
__________________
Larry B, Luckiest Dreamer
Luckiest Dreamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2011, 07:48 AM   #13
Winnebago Camper
 
Roll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Ohio (Columbus)
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckiest Dre View Post
Here is a link to the Journey spec's
Winnebago Motor Homes - 2012 Journey
I had found this but again, the CCC or OCCC or Net CCC is not listed. Instead they list the storage capacity in square feet.... which I believe, is a red flag to anyone who wants to know just how much additional weight any specific coach will carry.

Roll
__________________
2011 Coachmen Encounter 37TZ Ford F-53,BluOx/Patriot.Toad:2012 Wrangler Unltd Sahara. Invert-4/6Vbatts-SolarChg-AutoTransSw-WG traveler-HDMICbls-SafeTPlus-track bar-Awnings-GenAutoSt-CHF-pwr cord storage sys-Garmin-outsideHDTV, LED interior lighting, Brazels tuning.
Roll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2011, 07:54 AM   #14
Winnebago Camper
 
Roll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Ohio (Columbus)
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by majfrizz View Post
i just reconfirmed my CCC on the 2007 Journey 36SG, it is 4,995 lbs.
That is more like what I would expect and is certainly acceptable for a couple like us with lots of junk.

To bobmac.

I understand liquids and occupant weights must be subtracted, thus it is so important to have a carrying capacity in the 3500 to 4000 pound range (or more) unless you are comfortable driving a coach that is overloaded.

Roll
__________________
2011 Coachmen Encounter 37TZ Ford F-53,BluOx/Patriot.Toad:2012 Wrangler Unltd Sahara. Invert-4/6Vbatts-SolarChg-AutoTransSw-WG traveler-HDMICbls-SafeTPlus-track bar-Awnings-GenAutoSt-CHF-pwr cord storage sys-Garmin-outsideHDTV, LED interior lighting, Brazels tuning.
Roll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2011, 08:09 AM   #15
Winnebago Camper
 
Roll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Ohio (Columbus)
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Journey39n View Post
You will be surprised to find that many gas units and smaller diesels are close to being overloaded, and even the big tag axel DP's when loaded with ceramic tile, heavy countertops, seperate washers & dryers, extra bathrooms, residential refers, etc. don't have that much 'real' cargo capacity.
Hit the nail on the head you did. I researched used DPs for two years and then my wife who had been less than convinced we needed a coach, saw a brand new 2011 37.5 foot gas unit that had a floor plan to die for (her view of course). I worried about CCC having heard the stories about Gas coaches coming off the assembly line already overloaded. I pity the folks who would buy such a coach, load it up with even more and never know how dangerous a situation they were in as they cruise the highways.

I made a fuss and got the yellow weight sticker from the manufacturer before the purchase, (was missing in the coach, another reason I was worried). They located my VIN reprinted the sticker and sent it to me direct. Turns out I have a NCCC (net carrying capacity, whatever that means) of 4,133 pounds. Even after liquids and occupants (two adults and a 25 pound dog) I have more than enough spare capacity for us and our junk. I have to admit I was surprised about the capacity of this coach.

As an example I looked at an 05 Newmar Dutch Star (39 feet) and found it had a posted CCC of 1750 pounds; not nearly enough for us. Odd I thought.

So that’s why I am so interested in the CCC. I would appear to be adequate given the responses here for late model Journeys of the 36 foot flavor. I was just a little spooked by the reference to square feet and what Winnebago might be hiding.

Roll
__________________
2011 Coachmen Encounter 37TZ Ford F-53,BluOx/Patriot.Toad:2012 Wrangler Unltd Sahara. Invert-4/6Vbatts-SolarChg-AutoTransSw-WG traveler-HDMICbls-SafeTPlus-track bar-Awnings-GenAutoSt-CHF-pwr cord storage sys-Garmin-outsideHDTV, LED interior lighting, Brazels tuning.
Roll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2011, 11:12 AM   #16
Winnie-Wise
 
majfrizz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Somewhere Warm
Posts: 317
before we bought the Jouney we looked around, i found one model that had a CCC of onloy 750. that is not much to carry with you....
__________________
Retired Army--Bob--2014 Tour 42QD
2015 GMC Canyon SLT Crew Cab 4WD
2001 Honda Goldwing
majfrizz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-05-2011, 02:01 PM   #17
Winnebago Owner
 
Cousin Ed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Cape Cod, MA
Posts: 122
Our '10 Journey 40L has an NCCC of 5600+. Full fuel, 2/3 water and totaly loaded for a two month 9000 mile trip we had 850lb extra on the front and 1800lb for the rear.
__________________
Jeanie, Ed & Slade the GSD
Cape Cod, MA
2017 Entegra Aspire RBQ & Sierra Crew
Cousin Ed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2011, 07:41 AM   #18
Winnebago Camper
 
Roll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Central Ohio (Columbus)
Posts: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cousin Ed View Post
Our '10 Journey 40L has an NCCC of 5600+. Full fuel, 2/3 water and totaly loaded for a two month 9000 mile trip we had 850lb extra on the front and 1800lb for the rear.
Had to laugh at myself when I read your post. When I loaded our Gasser this spring for the first time I packed it like we were going to live in it for a year. Like you, we also had unused capacity front and rear but unable to find the time to travel for a week or two, only took weekend trips. Got to be a pain unloading junk to get chairs or the grille out. LOL

I'm going to rethink the load out this coming spring.

Roll
__________________
2011 Coachmen Encounter 37TZ Ford F-53,BluOx/Patriot.Toad:2012 Wrangler Unltd Sahara. Invert-4/6Vbatts-SolarChg-AutoTransSw-WG traveler-HDMICbls-SafeTPlus-track bar-Awnings-GenAutoSt-CHF-pwr cord storage sys-Garmin-outsideHDTV, LED interior lighting, Brazels tuning.
Roll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2011, 08:31 AM   #19
Winnebago Master
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Palisade CO
Posts: 895
The storage volume is pretty handy to know. The sticker in my coach has both CCC and storage volume.
When we were looking for a new coach back in 2004 we found that some of the the more expensive models had less of both because of things like basement AC that eliminated one entire storage bay from side to side and options that added weight like Corian counter tops.
I don't think they are trying to hide anything by supplying storage space numbers.
I would like to see CCC/OCCC in the brochures however.
__________________
Clay WA5NMR - Ex Snowbird - 1 year, Ex Full timer for 11 years - 2004 Winnebago Sightseer 35N Workhorse chassis. Honda Accord toad.
Clay L is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2011, 09:44 AM   #20
Winnebago Master
 
cbeierl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Nashua, NH
Posts: 1,774
I suspect that the reason CCC/OCCC don't show up in the brochures is that it varies for each coach based on manufacturer-supplied options (like washer/dryers, dishwashers, etc.) that can make a significant difference in the weight of the coach.
__________________
Chris Beierl

2005 Winnebago Vectra 36RD
cbeierl is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
journey


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Toilet Leak Question-2012 Journey 36M Linda3612 Winnebago Class A Motorhomes 15 02-25-2016 12:55 PM
Looking at 2004 Winnebago and have 1 Question (so far) LeeB General Maintenance and Repair 10 05-02-2012 03:07 AM

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by Winnebago Industries or any of its affiliates. This is an independent, unofficial site.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×