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09-17-2013, 05:04 PM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Feb 2012
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2004 Journey weight ratings
According to the brochure in the archive, the Freightliner chassis of a 2004 Journey has a GVWR of 27910 for both the 34H and the 36g and a GCWR of 28000 - a difference of 90 lbs if I am reading this correctly. Could someone help me understand why the GCWR is so low and what this will mean for pulling a toad? While I understand that you don't HAVE to have your coach loaded to maximum GVWR, I think many people do and if so, you could barely pull a bicycle with this coach. Am I reading this wrong?
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09-17-2013, 06:05 PM
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Winnie-Wise
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Powell River, B.C.
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I'm thinking miss-print, F/L usual GCWR would be 33,000, on the 28,000 lb. chassis, allowing 5,000. for toad /trailer. Did you check other years ?
My 99 XC, chassis lists 27,400 GVWR and 32,400 GCWR.
If this is your unit in question, a phone call to the Freightliner help line with the serial number would clear up any confusion.
1-800-385-4357
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09-17-2013, 06:43 PM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Glen Allen, VA
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My previous 2002 36G on the XC chassis had a GVWR of 26,800 and a GCWR of 36,800 for a 10,000 lb towing capacity.
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09-17-2013, 06:53 PM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Nashua, NH
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If you check the 04 Itasca Meridian Brochure (the twin of the Winnebago Journey) you'll see the GCWR listed as 37,910. This would reinforce the idea of a typo on the Journey brochure.
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2005 Winnebago Vectra 36RD
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09-18-2013, 06:17 AM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Feb 2012
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In 2003, Winnebago has separated the DL version into a separate brochure. The non-DL version shows the same 28000 GCWR, which, in my mind, increases the likelyhood that this is NOT a typo (the DL version has a 36850 GCWR). The 28000 GCWR will NOT work for my needs, so I need to look carefully at the models. I guess if you never pull a toad, that GCWR might work, but I will be pulling a Wrangler. The issue is that if I am looking at a coach that is far from my home, I will have to depend on the dealer to take the time to go out and look at the label on the coach and report the accurate GCWR before I make the trip to look at the coach.
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09-18-2013, 09:15 AM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Nashua, NH
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I would say that I am 100% certain that the Journey brochure is incorrect and that the Journey has the same specs as the twin Itasca Meridian.
OnEdit: Correct to say Meridian instead of Horizon
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09-18-2013, 10:04 AM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Aug 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sadrand
In 2003, Winnebago has separated the DL version into a separate brochure. The non-DL version shows the same 28000 GCWR, which, in my mind, increases the likelyhood that this is NOT a typo (the DL version has a 36850 GCWR). The 28000 GCWR will NOT work for my needs, so I need to look carefully at the models. I guess if you never pull a toad, that GCWR might work, but I will be pulling a Wrangler. The issue is that if I am looking at a coach that is far from my home, I will have to depend on the dealer to take the time to go out and look at the label on the coach and report the accurate GCWR before I make the trip to look at the coach.
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Two suggestions:
1) call dealer and get vin number then call Freightliner, problem solved
or
2) Call Winnebago and ask them direct, problem solved
or do both and really be sure.
Asking all of us out "here" won't solve your problem/answer your question, but will just get opinions, which are OK, but shouldn't be used to make a purchase decision based on your original post.
Good luck and please let us all know the resolution.
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Stik
Full Timing since 2005
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09-18-2013, 03:38 PM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Florida
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The '04 Journey 32, 34, & 36 came standard with a Cummins ISB (not the problem) and an Allison 2000MH 5 speed transmission (that's the problem). The downsized tranny did indeed limit the GCWR to 28000. The 34 & 36 could be ordered with the optional CAT C-7 and 3000MH Transmission. The 32 didn't have the option of the C-7, but you could order an optional 3000MH tranny. I don't believe the Meridian had the 2000MH as standard and thus didn't get stuck with the 28000 GCWR.
You might want to check with Winnie, but I don't think many units were sold with the 2000MH tranny because most everyone had the same concerns as you do.
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'04 Journey 36G - Cat C7
'04 Honda CR-V
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09-18-2013, 03:46 PM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Florida
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Upon further review - the Meridian brochure that Chris pointed to does show a 2000MH as standard on the 32, but it's a 6 speed vs a 5 speed on the Journey. Maybe that's where the GCWR difference comes in...
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'04 Journey 36G - Cat C7
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09-18-2013, 04:08 PM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Thanks, Tomsm, that's exactly the information I am looking for. I need to avoid the Allison 2000MH 5 speed and look for the 3000. I am assuming the 3000 is a 6 speed. And Stik, calling Freightliner with the vin is a very good idea. Thanks.
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09-18-2013, 04:19 PM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Vancouver, WA
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As I remember the 2000MH comes in both a 5 speed and 6 speed. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will correct me.
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09-18-2013, 06:29 PM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 9
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2004 Journey weight rating
Tom hit everything correct. The difference is the 5 speed (2000) vs the 6 speed (3000) . I have a 2004 journey 34H with the 5 speed and Cummins ISB-02, it works well.
The key is that the coach weights about 4000 pounds less than the GVW of 26,910. Therefore, most smaller suv and cars will be no issue. My average MPG is between 10 and 11 towing a Honda civic.
Also the transmission oil filter is much easier to change because of the spin on filter.
For what it'd worth and hope this helps.
keithG
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09-18-2013, 06:35 PM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 9
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2004 Journey weight rating
One more thing. I am 99% sure the 2000MH was only made in a 5 speed. It was not until Allision made the 2500MH did a 2000 series have 6 speeds.
In 2004 you needed in most cases to upgrade to the Cat engine to get the 3000MH which is the way Meridians were made.
Keithg
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09-19-2013, 07:03 AM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Feb 2012
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Thanks for the info, Keighg. The dry weight helps with my decisions. I will be towing a Jeep Wrangler which has a curb weight of just under 4000 lbs. With the dry weight at 22,910 (based on your figures) and a GCWR of 28000, this leaves me only 1000 lbs or so for passengers and personal belongings, not to mention water etc. That's cutting it too close for my comfort. I was hoping I was missing something, but apparently not.
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