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Old 08-24-2005, 05:22 PM   #1
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If you were to replace your existing Winnebago RV would you choose another Winnebago product? If so why and if not why ? Please no bashing just your first thoughts.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:22 PM   #2
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If you were to replace your existing Winnebago RV would you choose another Winnebago product? If so why and if not why ? Please no bashing just your first thoughts.
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Old 08-24-2005, 05:30 PM   #3
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When we bought our rig we had a short list of about 6 items. Only Winnebago had all of them.

Our list:
Class A
Diesel pusher
80" full queen bed
fiberglass roof
Central basement air
full body paint
Welded steel cage front end

We got all of that, at a very good price and a bunch of other things that we now know abouut but did not realize at the time how great they would be -- like the power management system.

If we did the same process today, I doubt we find other choices. But, we love our rig and plan on keeping it permanently.

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Old 08-24-2005, 07:25 PM   #4
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I guess this is one I can answer precisely - no guesses of what "I might do." Today we did do. We traded for a Holiday Rambler Ambassador 40PLQ.

We took a hard look at the Winnies again. Our 39W (which has been a headache but everything seems to be fixed now) is really not that great for 3 people. If you open the Rest Easy you can't get by the bed without crawling over it and it really constrains the lounge chair. One shallow slide in the LR/galley was an error on our part. Fine when travelling but not good when sitting for any time.

We looked at the Journey and Tour (somewhat garish in our view). Vectra/Horizon - really overpriced in our view. My wife did like the 36G but the bedroom was just too small (the 40PLQ has a huge bedroom - nothing like it in any MH in this price range).

We think there are a few Winnie features we'd like such as the auto door locks on the coach door and basement doors. We did get a 3 camera system that is great, one piece windshield, huge pass through basement (Winnie botched it in our view by putting StoreMore on curb side), and a lot of features that are standard that must be added to Winnie or are just not available (front Mask, manual cord reel for 50 amp cord, slide out generator tray [n/a on Journey], rear window, hide-a-bed with air mattress, 4 6v batteries in an enclosed compartment with slide out tray, [every Winnie battery compartment we've looked at is filhty, not in the HR), wood floor, etc).

It was a bit of a painful move in that while we've had a lot of headaches with our Journey over the past 15 months, in the end the items were fixed (3rd try for some) and the people at Winnie were pretty helpful. Our HR dealer is also our Winnie dealer - for better or for worse). We concluded that Winnie had really fallen behind in floor plan options.

This is an identical model to ours - color, interior and exterior, and most options. We just love that bedroom.

40PLQ photos (step through photos)

So, in a week we leave the Winnie family - but if there is a next time around we will certainly look at Winnie again provided they enhance their floor plans and correct their storage deficiency. We certainly hope that our 40PLQ will not have as many initial flaws as our Journey - but that remains to be seen.
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Old 08-25-2005, 04:34 PM   #5
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That's a great looking setup Don (the Holiday Rambler).

A rear window is sometihng I'd like on our Adventurer. National does them with basement A/C and a big endcap, they even advertise it as a bay window. Looks like Holiday Rambler splits the difference, with a bit of a recess both inside and out.

Earlier this summer we took a closer look at a few coaches in the Journey line, don't think we saw one that would fit our son's crib. It fits, albeit tightly, in our 31Y. Add that to the same livingroom as a 36G, and we're staying put, no reason to go bigger.

About that bedroom, a few months back, could have been a year or more I guess, Gaylord Maxwell was looking for ideas for the ideal large coach in Motorhome magazine. I emailed him with some comments on making bedrooms more useable in the daytime, one being a murphy bed. The idea was bedroom by night, den by day. Imagine my surprise when I saw the latest Newell ads, featuring a bedroom with a murphy bed!
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Old 08-25-2005, 07:10 PM   #6
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Definitely not another Winnebago. KIWI must have gotten a good one. Our 2004 is 19 months old and we're still fighting problems. Don't know what I'd choose at this time, but not another Winnie.
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Old 08-25-2005, 07:22 PM   #7
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Old 08-26-2005, 01:24 AM   #8
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After doing many,many PDIs I'd still take a Winnebago hands down to a majority of other brands...
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Old 08-26-2005, 01:49 AM   #9
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Amen, Captain Bud. After seeing many other brands and hearing my friends complain about their non-Winnie units, I still feel Winnie gives you the 'best bang for the buck'. -Which is why we're in our third Winnie now.
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Old 08-26-2005, 02:52 AM   #10
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Great looking Moho Don, hope you are satisfied with the HR.

In the same price range definetly yes I would stay with Winnie.

If I hit the lottery would like to move up in the 500m to 750M price range.

Like my MOHO everything is working fine.
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Old 08-26-2005, 03:29 AM   #11
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As others have suggested,

And as painful as it is to admit (and it is painful)... If we were going to buy another unit in the same price range as our 2004 40AD WAS, we'd choose Winnie again, despite all of the problems (we are still working on issues 22 months later, BUT Winnie is still fixing them) we think that they offer the most VALUE for the dollar. Not the best floor plans, certainly not the best build quality, but best overall value for what you spend. I am driven by engineering and Winnie has, in my humble, well researched opinion, the best engineered box out there. They also have some of the best factory support in the industry.

Speaking of this industry...

The manufacturers have a LONG way to go in terms of quality and customer service. I believe the current oil and economic conditions are about to start sorting the good from the better, from the best. Those that learn that excellent customer service keeps customers coming back in hard times will survive, and, history tells us, the rest.... don't. I think this applies to manufacturers, as well as dealers.

Having just purchased a Toyota Prius, and averaging over 52 mpg in normal city driving, where is the research about improving motorhome mileage? Where are the hybrid diesel-pusher chassis?

Laugh now, but if fuel continues the trend it's following, we are all going to take another huge hit in terms of the street value of our rigs (we already have taken a hit in the past 2 months). I feel this industry is in for another wake up call, just as in the early 1970's and, to a lesser extent, the late 1980's.

In the long run, we all stand to benefit. Good manufacturers will still prosper. The better they get, the better the ubiquitous "overall industry quality standard" is.

It would also be interesting to see the effect of a few Japanease manufacturers noticing this opportunity, and really making a change in the industry. If Winnie, Fleetwood and Monaco don't want to end up like GM, Ford and Chrysler, they might begin to embrace the idea that value, quality (read: reliability), and excellent customer service are really best for the industry.

Good grief, what's in my morning coffee, anyway.
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Old 08-26-2005, 03:33 AM   #12
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NO NO NO, too many problems that never end, would look at Newmar or Tiffin product. Maybe they will be the same but may they will be better. Winnie has terrific floorplans and liveability but too many problems too soon
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We love our 2000 Chieftain D.P 36ft, but wife has to have the garden tube and Winnie does not have it as an option so it looks like we will be going to the Allegro Bus 40 DP.I had asked if they would change out the shower for garden tube and i would pay the extra dollars and the answer was no.So good by Winnie.
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Old 08-26-2005, 08:40 AM   #14
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Thanks ichn2go. It was certainly a tough decision and the week before "she" almost got me to go for a 36G until I pointed out just how crowded we'd be.

I will soon find out how quality compares. Frankly, what we found when looking this time was that you really have trouble determining other than surface problems or obvious glitches. We expect to have a few items that need attention - and hopefully it will only be a few. I'll make a point of letting you know how it goes.

The price was virtually identicaly to a 2006 Journey 39K the dealer just received. The Amb does have a number of features as I noted above that are not on the Journey - and the Amb doesn't have some things that the Journey has. One of the main features was the floorplan. I hope Winnie will add the external satellite dish connection (don't recall seeing it on the 06) that HR has - makes an external dish much easier to use. We had the Winegard auto dish and it sometimes got lost and of course when parked under trees were were just out of luck. We are going to try an external this time - at least to start with.

This length and great floorplan is possible in a lower level model because of the 33,000 GVWR vs the 29,410 in the Journey (boosted from 27,910 April 1 for the 39K). I think the Tour/Ellipse are an attempt to correct that problem but a 40AD Tour would have cost us another $22k and we could not see enough value (and as noted - it was garish looking - kind of what one thinks a French WH might look like. What disgusted my DW again was opening the battery compartment on the 36G (it had just arrived a week earlier) and seeing that all the batteries and the compartment were filthy. Winnie really should enclose it. Our new one has 4 x 6V coach batteries and the 2 auto batteries in a closed compartment, and needless to say the filth was not evident.

The ride seemed to be fine. I doubt that we will find it a whole lot different from the Freightliner since they are both pretty good. I also had to satisfy myself that the 3 point leveling system is OK - which I did. I think Winnie and all others should adopt the 3 camera system - what a difference. We really liked the BU camera on the Winnie as it let us see everything behind us when on the road. I found it was less useful when backing up because of the distortion. The Amb's camera at the back can be adjusted up and down from 2 buttons on the screen panel - a very nice feature as well. The side cameras can be operated manually (switch on the dash) or automatically - that is, from the turn signals.

Anyway, we have our fingers crossed that we haven't made a mistake. If it turns out to be a blunder, I'll be sure to let others know so they can learn from our mistakes.

Now, having said all this, what would I really have liked to purchase? A Wanderlodge or a Foretravel. Unfortunately, had I done that, she would have had me committed.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ichn2go:
Great looking Moho Don, hope you are satisfied with the HR.

In the same price range definetly yes I would stay with Winnie.

If I hit the lottery would like to move up in the 500m to 750M price range.

Like my MOHO everything is working fine.
Good Miles </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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