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Old 02-01-2017, 05:05 PM   #15
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I have a 2001 dp journey the starting is erract ,I have tohit the sw several before the engine will start --I been told to check battarys (INSTALLED 2 NEW ONE)also check the pos and neg cables (did that)and sprayed with protective spray-is there any thing else that would pervent the engine from starting --perhaps some interlock I am unaware of?
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This thread is about disabling a leveling jacks alarm. You'd get better response if you started a new thread on this new topic.

Erratic starting could have a number of sources. Your ignition switch could be faulty. It is probably connected to a relay that actually switches the fuel flow solenoid on. If the ignition is O.K. but the starter fails to engage, it could be another solenoid or the actual starter solenoid itself. The starter motor could have a dead spot on it that causes erratic starting behavior.

Spraying electrical connections may or may not actually improve their ability to make good contact. Remove battery connections, use steel wool or a wire brush to clean them, then replace. Same for other connections, disconnect, clean, then fasten them together again. This includes the connections at the starter, all solenoids that plug in a socket, etc.
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Find the warning alarm unit under the dash, install toggle switch between each side of alarm unit and mount switch in dash and your good to go. Will not effect red jacks down lamp installed by Winnebago on the dash. Works on my 2016 Solei 34T. Cost about $5.00 for the switch.
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I have a 2001 dp journey the starting is erract ,I have tohit the sw several before the engine will start --I been told to check battarys (INSTALLED 2 NEW ONE)also check the pos and neg cables (did that)and sprayed with protective spray-is there any thing else that would pervent the engine from starting --perhaps some interlock I am unaware of?
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Old 02-02-2017, 06:49 AM   #18
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Find the warning alarm unit under the dash, install toggle switch between each side of alarm unit and mount switch in dash and your good to go. Will not effect red jacks down lamp installed by Winnebago on the dash. Works on my 2016 Solei 34T. Cost about $5.00 for the switch.
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This will work but I don't think it is the best solution. If just once you forget or think you put the jacks up and try to drive off, that will be a sad day for you. You could bend all of your jacks. I like the latching relay idea. I just wish I would have thought of it before I put all of those cotton balls around my alarm speaker.

Even with the latching relay care must be taken. If the reason the alarm were disabled was to run the main engine for a time and one is inspired to drive off without shutting it down, DON'T FORGET THE DEPLOYED JACKS.

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Old 02-02-2017, 07:25 AM   #19
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The big red warning lamp on the dash is not effected by installing a switch to just disable the audible alarm.
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:50 AM   #20
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The big red warning lamp on the dash is not effected by installing a switch to just disable the audible alarm.
Keep in mind the HWH system does not have dual acting jacks like the Lippert systems. On HWH they are powered down and spring return up. If you're sure the jacks will not drift down while under way it might be a valid solution.

However there have been some instances (our 2001 Adventurer included) where a hydraulic line was run close to a heat source like an exhaust pipe or manifold. Under the right heat and humidity conditions the hydraulic fluid in the line would heat up enough to expand and force a jack to extend. With the alarm at least you'll know the system has to be reset. Without it you may not know a jack is extended until something is damaged.

Personally I would go with those that have muted the alarm rather than disable it.
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Old 02-02-2017, 11:13 AM   #21
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the alarm is there for safety reasons. some mfg install it, some dont. its their choice. its included in every kit. it can be muffled with foam rubber. or some other material, but i really dont recommend removing it.
when a jack moves down enough to set off an alarm, it only moves about one to two inches, according to size of the jack, the length of the hose, and the temp of the heat source. hwh has never has a case where the jack extended enough to strike the ground because of heat expansion. rewiring can, in some cases do that.
ive seen and replaced lots of bent jack cylinders because of driving off with the jacks down.
please make sure you dont wire it so the park brake doesnt supply the ground to activate the system. the alarm is tied to that same blue wire. in the end, its your coach. maybe a quieter alarm is the answer.
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Just returned from my coach (in storage) to tackle this problem. I had a toggle switch in hand along with electricians tape to either toggle the noise maker off or wrap it with tape to quiet it some.

On close inspection, I noted that the alarm module (about two inches in diameter) has a rotating cover on it. This cover has a series of triangular holes in it. When I touched the alarm I discovered that this "cover" moves or rotates clockwise and counter clockwise.

I rotated the cover so that the triangular holes lined up to completely close the alarm speaker. Now the decibel level is dramatically quieter and is maybe a third of the volume it was before.

Oh, for the record my coach is a 2005 Newmar Northern Star. The jacks down alarm was about knee high on the left of the steering column and was affixed to the fire wall with two wood screws into a piece of plywood.

For me, problem solved.
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Just returned from my coach (in storage) to tackle this problem. I had a toggle switch in hand along with electricians tape to either toggle the noise maker off or wrap it with tape to quiet it some.

On close inspection, I noted that the alarm module (about two inches in diameter) has a rotating cover on it. This cover has a series of triangular holes in it. When I touched the alarm I discovered that this "cover" moves or rotates clockwise and counter clockwise.

I rotated the cover so that the triangular holes lined up to completely close the alarm speaker. Now the decibel level is dramatically quieter and is maybe a third of the volume it was before.

Oh, for the record my coach is a 2005 Newmar Northern Star. The jacks down alarm was about knee high on the left of the steering column and was affixed to the fire wall with two wood screws into a piece of plywood.

For me, problem solved.

Same way on my coach...I guess the alarm module comes from HWH.

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Old 02-03-2017, 06:03 AM   #24
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Same way on my coach...I guess the alarm module comes from HWH.

Glad it is solved.

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Not mine. The module is set to full volume with no mercy adjustment. I am hard of hearing and it was even too loud for me. The only thing I had handy, when I finally found the module and what I was dealing with, was the cotton balls. At least this took the edge off the alarm.

The points of safety here are good ones and well though through. I have had a jack drop a bit and was alerted by the alarm. Without the audio alert I would have never noticed the warning light on the dash because of being obscured by the steering wheel when I am driving. I am going to see about installing the latching relay this month and pull the cotton balls out. That idea just seems too Raoul Goldberg for me.

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Old 02-05-2017, 11:28 AM   #25
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good find charlie. the buzzer is adjustable.,
we supply the alarm to the manufacturers,and they decide whether to put in on or not. ive been to some builders, ,unnamed, and found a box full of alarms
we as hwh employees are not supposed to disable, remove or adjust the alarm.but you as the owner can.
back to that liability issue again.
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Thank you all for the responses. Methinks harleyjt thinks "outside the box" as they say. (A stroke of genius regarding the application of a latching relay, IMHO.) I really couldn't see enough room anywhere under my Ford's dash to mount one though; so I went the simple toggle switch route.....like Jim HiTek. I guess if a latching relay were not direction-sensitive regarding mounting I could just "hang" one of the socket-mount types in there someplace with a couple of zip ties...........maybe. The guys with Class A's would have way more room someplace I'd wager.

I am going to attempt to attach a few pics of my simple installation process. Hopefully if you click on them they will enlarge and the annotation will be legible. I suspected that the red wire on the backside of the HWH control panel was the main 12 v power lead so (with jacks partially lowered and the alarm screeching away) I cut the lead into; and the silence was golden. So now when I throw the toggle switch I put in series with that red wire, the HWH is just plain "dead" ............... no squalling alarm and (unfortunately) not even a red light. So I can run my engine in peace whenever needed. I don't anticipate a problem cuz at 85, my coach doesn't budge from its "parked" space until I have reviewed my laminated check list (twice) ...... and EdInArk's advice about hanging a warning flag on the steering wheel (or maybe the shift lever?) for the jacks, etc is an excellent "belt and suspenders" approach (and I'm gonna do it).

Safe travels ..... with no bent jacks, y'all. :^)
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:46 AM   #27
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Great job, YourACMan, well done.

Think I'll follow your lead and add a switch to my '02 Winnie like I had in my '94 Bounder. I did a blog write up about doing it in my '94 Bounder, Power Gear Jacks. I cut the red lead going to the control box so it completely removes power from the control.

Added that switch back in '05 and never drove off with the jacks down, had a close call or two just after adding it before I taught myself to always flip it or check that the switch is ON when I pull into a RV park to level. Then when I start traveling again, it's on and beeping when I turn on the ignition. That reminds me to pull up the jacks. If it keeps beeping after they are pretty much up, flip the switch to silence the alarm and off I go. Having to use the switch at all told me that I needed to add ATF at my next stop.

I'm going to add your mod to my HWH panel soon, I have plenty of open panel space for it right near the control.
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Old 02-07-2017, 12:29 PM   #28
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I did the latching relay on my 2011 Vista 26. I used a temporary pushbutton switch and worked perfectly, resetting everytime. I also put some RTV on the buzzer to tone it down a few notches. No longer have that RV anymore, guessing the owner of my old RV is wonder what does this button do?
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