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Old 08-12-2006, 04:36 PM   #41
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THAT'S the bad news Cheryl.....he left Sturgis,SD this morning around 10AM, headed back here to Virginia Beach, with a Monday evening arrival sked....I'm not sure where he is,as I stayed on the phone long enough to tell him where to look for his Newmar/Coach-Net phone list...

I'm sure he'll be towed to a campground until Monday morning,just as I was....they'll come and get him Monday morning and tow him to a Cummins shop....
With the motorcycle trailer,that could be ugly as I wouldn't think they could tow the coach WITH the trailer attached...(too much angle on the receiver).
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Old 08-12-2006, 05:02 PM   #42
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I feel for him. Having to leave the Coach that far from home is going to be very hard. And your right, they won't be able to tow both. I know he is sick. As we all are with having this happen on a new Coach that alot of money was sunk in them.
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Old 08-13-2006, 02:54 AM   #43
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Bob:

Your friends blown engine is too bad. In these cases, would Newmar or Cummins pay for his transportation home, maybe a rental truck to tow his trailer and motorcycles home? Anything mechanical can break, for sure, but so many failed engines does not speak well for QC at Cummins right now. If they had a bad batch of engines/parts, would think they would start issuing recalls on suspected engines.
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Old 08-13-2006, 03:14 AM   #44
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Gary, I agree with your assessment of the QC at Cummins,although since the issue has been "defined" to a series of "late 2005 and early 2006" engines,it does sound like they "caught" it.

My issue is also the same as yours in that they should be issuing a recall for that series of engines for that time frame...

Expensive to test that many? You bet....But it's the RIGHT thing to do.

My buddy's '06 MADP was an early '06 which no doubt was one of the affected ones.

As he is still somewhere in the center of the country I've not spoken to him this morning, but I will offer your suggestions of a rental truck. While I know he would like to stay with his coach, he and his daughter both have responsibilities back here.
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Old 08-13-2006, 07:06 AM   #45
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Cummins dealer in Iowa inspected my friend's coach today....

TWO holes in block, starter blown off and the back plate blown off as well...

My advice is to check the coach you're looking at and if it's a late '05 or early '06 manufactured
Cummins 400ISL, you'd do better to look elsewhere...

Nice of Cummins to let those owners know.....NOT!!!
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:18 AM   #46
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It's a good thing the starter was blown completely off of his. The fire after mine thru the rod started from the wires sparking from the starter. That's what Cummins told us started the fire.
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Old 08-13-2006, 08:52 AM   #47
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I was mentioning all this to my brother who is Massachisets DPW Certified and got his CDL through their program about 30 years ago as a bus driver. This was a common problem on all the commercial buses with a standard transmission. All you had to do to throw a rod was downshift at highway speeds without syncronizing the engine speed to match the road speed and gear you had selected. If you did not judge it correctly and engaged the clutch too fast then you would throw a rod or two and put out a smoke screen the navy would be envious of.

We can be thankfull that this is not a constant threat and only pops up on our modern coaches when there is a bad batch of engines.

In the past this could have happened to anyone who misjudged a downshift. Of course you would have 40+ angry passengers and a dispatcher to have to deal with when driving those old buses.

Regards and hopes for a speedy return to the road to all affected.
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Old 08-14-2006, 05:11 AM   #48
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I have learned this morning that the "affected" Cummins 400's were manufactured between 11/05 and 3/06.

If your engine is in this timeframe you'd save yourself a lot of trouble by having it checked.

Cummins will know what you're talking about,they're just NOT talking about it!
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Old 08-14-2006, 07:16 AM   #49
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Has anyone learned WHY or WHICH part is the root cause of the failures??

For this type of catastrophic failure, it seems that the cause should be readily identifiable.

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Old 08-14-2006, 07:37 AM   #50
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Not that I know of Sarge. Our insurance adjuster sent out a specialist to look at mine after it happened and he stated it was a faulty wrist pin on the first cylinder. "I hope I said that right" I'm not a mechanic. lol
I wish they would find the root of the problem and let us all know; I'm going to be scared to drive it any distance away from home for fear it will happen again.
We were thinking about trading it when and if we ever get it back, for a Coach that has a CAT engine. But am having a hard time finding one like we want.
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Old 08-14-2006, 07:47 AM   #51
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For some reason the piston rods in these affected blocks disentegrate and cause a catastrophic failure..

My buddy had two holes in the side of his block...

He also learned today through a more (read daylight) inspection of his "towed behind" trailer that something came out of the rear of the coach and damaged the front of his trailer. Along with the obvious oil splatter he has physical damage as well to the trailer.

He is going to keep his coach, but rightfully so is insisting on an '06 motor.
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Bob, there were huge parts that came off of our motor that hit our truck we were towing. The California Highway Patrol guy shut down the freeway to get the peices off the road so they would not cause an accident. He brought us several huge peices and gave them to us. He even gave us his own cell number in case we had any problem. He said it was a good thing we were towing a truck or the huge peices of motor coming out could have caused someone to wreck.
A lady behind us stopped and asked what came out of our Coach because it almost caused her to wreck! We were in the process of putting the fire out and just thought it was all the oil it spilled. But the CHP said it was the huge motor parts. It caused $2000.00 worth of body damage to our truck and another $60.00 to have it detailed to get all the oil off of it. It's a sky blue color, it was solid black from the oil.
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Old 08-14-2006, 08:31 AM   #53
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I believe you've hit on the reason Cummins needs to seriously consider a recall on suspect engines.....potential liability for damage/personal injury or even death of someone following one of these rigs during an engine 'self-destruct.' While their bean counters may have already calculated their costs to be less (as did Ford with the infamous Pinto 'let 'em burn' decision)to take their chances and pay a few liability claims, sometimes a company needs to be known for doing the RIGHT thing.
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I agree. I'm just so thankful that no one following us got hurt in any way.
It could have been so much worse.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">GaryKD
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From the serial number, my engine was manufactured 4/10/2006. The last ISL 370/400 engine produced with the potential problem was
serial number 46602930 -- mine is 46604201. My coach was on the assembly line during mid June 2006, and delivered from the factory on 7/18/2006. The symptoms is an engine knock, or, worst case, a messy catastrophic engine failure. If your ISL 370/400 engine is within
the serial number range (Oct 2005 -did not get the serial number-thru 46602930), go to Cummins immediately if you have the knock -- they will replace pistons, connecting rods and wrist pins. This is known as the "piston wrist pin failure". There are ISC and other engines in the serial number range which are NOT affected.
Personally, if I had an engine in this range, I would talk with Cummins and force them to do the repair. If you are buying a coach, look at the vanity sticker for the engine serial number. Cummins number is 800-343-7357, option 4.

They are NOT automatically recalling RVs, but my first phone call indicated that a number of these diesels went into fire engines, which I imagine they are taking the proactive approach.

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Good find Gary!!!!
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From RV.Net;

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Make : CUMMINS Model : ISL CM850 Build Dates : Information not Available
Manufacturer : CUMMINS, INC.
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 06E037000 Recall Date : MAY 05, 2006
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING ENGINE DIESEL
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 508
Summary:
ALL CUMMINS ISL CM850 DIESEL ENGINES INSTALLED AS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT ON EMERGENCY VEHICLES BETWEEN OCTOBER 17, 2005, AND APRIL 6, 2006, WITH ENGINE SERIAL NUMBER RANGE FROM 46542688 TO 46601872. THE CONNECTING RODS WHICH TRANSFER ENERGY FROM THE PISTON TO THE CRANKSHAFT ARE DEFECTIVE AND CAN RESULT IN SEIZURE OF THE PISTON PIN. A PISTON PIN SEIZURE CAN RESULT IN A MISSION-DISABLING ENGINE FAILURE.
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