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Old 09-09-2007, 04:49 PM   #1
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There is a thread HERE talking about rust and of course there are a couple of Winnebago bashers (the same two every time) that state that Winnebago has rust problems.

You guys think rust is a common problem, or is the dealer who is at fault when a motorhome is delivered during the winter on salty roads and not washed by the dealer?
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There is a thread HERE talking about rust and of course there are a couple of Winnebago bashers (the same two every time) that state that Winnebago has rust problems.

You guys think rust is a common problem, or is the dealer who is at fault when a motorhome is delivered during the winter on salty roads and not washed by the dealer?
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Old 09-09-2007, 06:05 PM   #3
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I bought my rig Jan 31 03 from Lazydays. They did not do a proper job of washing the undercarriage after delivery from Forest City. The substantial rust is evidence of salt-covered roads enroute. And it was not undercoated.

The rust is not excessive, but it's there. It's a case of improper actions by the receiving dealer, not the manufacturer. Unfortunately the rust had not developed enough to be noted during my acceptance inspection.

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Old 09-09-2007, 06:14 PM   #4
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There are two situations here.

One is chassis rust. The prime example was the fellow that bought his Horizon/Vectra from Lazydays 18 about months ago and he soon discovered there was an unusual and alarming amount of rust underneath on the chassis. Many have seen the many pictures he posted and while surface rust on steel does not concern me in the least, his rust was so pernicious and on every nut, bolt, hose connection, etc. it was a bit of an eye-opener. If it was my coach, I would be extremely concerned about the ability to service the coach due to the rust freezing everything together and making maintenance much more difficult.

There was lots of finger pointing - they didn't do this, and they didn't do that. It doesn't really matter. This is a bit of an aberration and like terrible accidents, it usually happens when several disconnected things go wrong at the same time.

This coach owner actually called me and we discussed his situation - he was very thorough in his data gathering and wanted to hear various perspectives and opinions about the gravity of the situation, and recommended remedy's.

Apparently it was much more difficult that it should have been, but he ultimately had a satisfactory resolution that was somehow shared among Freightliner, Winnebago and Lazydays. He would not revel the terms of the resolution which must have been the terms of the settlement. I got the feeling he wasn't exactly thrilled with the settlement, but it wasn't that bad either.

The other issue is rust on everything else. I have some rust to deal with in the plumbing bay which is simply a cosmetic thing. This winter I will dissemble some of the sheet metal facades in that bay and probably get them powder coated or make them out of aluminum sheet.

Bottom line - I think the rust is a very minor area of concern and certainly doesn't give me any cause for alarm about the overall quality of the product.
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Old 09-09-2007, 06:19 PM   #5
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I had a 97 Adventure before my present one. I have had no sign of rust problems on either one. When ever I drive in road salt conditions I try to spray off the underneath as soon as possible I do not believe Winnebago has a problem with rust. Neither of mine was undercoated.

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Old 09-09-2007, 06:44 PM   #6
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We've had no significant rust problems on our '03. There was one metal strip that the paint was popping off of that I cleaned up myself. Winnebago does some impressive "corrosion testing" on most components at the factory.

I have heard a few complain of problems due to the windshield frame rusting and causing windshield leaks. I had both windshields replaced last June (long story) and saw only a small area of rust on my windshield frame where a leaky clearance lamp was allowing constant water in. The rest of the frame looked great.
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Old 09-10-2007, 05:39 AM   #7
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We've driven our coach almost 60,000 miles through all kinds of nasty weather including several blizzards without any significant rust problems. The key it to clean it thoroughly after driving all day on the salt covered roads.
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Old 09-10-2007, 06:00 AM   #8
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I've got some rust on mine and have spent a considerable amount of time and effort media-blasting, priming and re-painting. Some is on the sheet metal near the bottoms of the exterior compartment openings and much of it was under the rig near the rear.

In my case, I believe the following is true:

1. some of the coating/paint on sheet metal was less than ideal or thorough from the get-go. Undercoating was applied hap-hazardly.

2. previous owner of my rig lived in Northern Illinois and traveled to Florida every winter. While he did all required maintenance and kept the coach very clean, I think he failed to pay sufficient attention to the under belly of the rig. While I checked under the coach before buying it, I did not see the rust that I have subsequently found as I have spent more time under the 'beast.'

I've dealt with it and am not worried about it. However, I've learned a very important lesson...never buy a coach that lived north of the Mason-Dixon line and spend a lot more time on a creeper with a bright light before buying.
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I also saw the same post, and over all I didn't think it looked all that bad. His 1st problem was buying something that he was already uncomfortable with. He should have had them fix the rust 1st then buy it, but that's all water under under the brige.

Driving my rig mostly in the winter to go skiing, I havn't seen any large amount of rust on my rig. But out west here little if no salt is used on the roads. Just tons of sand and gravel.

So no, I would say in my experience rust is not a common problem. Maybe he just got a poorly painted/coated rig.
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:45 AM   #10
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My underside has what I would say is too much rust. Was like that from the get go. When I installed the Bilsteins I had to fight all the nuts off. Dealers should rinse off the underside when new coaches come in the winter months. Little by little I am scraping and painting. But most of the hardware as well as transmission and hydraulic line fittings are in bad shape.
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Old 09-10-2007, 09:01 AM   #11
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I just traded in an '04 Brave 32v for an '08 Adventurer 37B. I was very pleased with the '04 Brave except for 2 rust areas. The first was on the white rear driver's corner strip that covered where the sidewall met the rear wall and the second area was in the water/electric compartments where the black paint rusted and peeled away. Can't say I can blame it on road salt as it's never been in any or salt water as we kept the coach about 100 miles from the ocean. In any event, Rustoleum and sand paper was a quick fix at trade-in time and the buyer was well aware of the "touch up".
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Old 09-10-2007, 01:37 PM   #12
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Tom, it looks like everthing that is corroded there would be workhorse issues not installed by winnebago. But it is still a Winnebago product.

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Old 09-10-2007, 03:29 PM   #13
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After looking at Tom's pics and seeing the pics on the other forum it would appear something has broken down somewhere however does anyone know how this compares to Freightliner trucks or other none Winnebago motor homes with Freightliner chassis after the same amount of time? I hope I am not hijacking a thread with this question as it still relates.....I think? Sorry in advance if I am hijacking.
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Old 09-11-2007, 03:05 AM   #14
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom N:
Factory order, 30 months old and 8000 miles. I requested undercarriage to be power washer before I took delivery.

Is this excessive rust???

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Tom,

Looks like your coach was driven through an area of high road salt usage and not cleaned properly when it arived at the dealership. The Florida heat and humidity will greatly accelerate the damage from the road salt residue afterwards.

The dealer really messed up big time here.

This is the major reason why I would not take delivery on a coach that was transported to the dealer in the winter.
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:52 AM   #15
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Tom's pictures are exactly consistant with the gentleman who initially brought chassis rust to the forefront over a year on rv.net. The conclusion then and it appears now in Tom's case is that it was caused by road chemicals.

However, there were also several reports of people who routinely use their coaches in the winter and presumably drive on roads treated with chemicals and don't have this sort of problem.

So I suppose everybody can spend lots of time speculating about the root cause of chassis rust and assign blame to the dealer or the chassis manufacturer or Winnebago as they feel so inclined.

Then there is the issue of incidential rust in and around the house. My only rust issue is confined to the plumbing bay and it is a cosmetic issue only. I don't like it and I will be resolving the problem sometime this winter. I think my problem is very similar to Gary's (smlranger) so I'll be looking what he did to fix the problem as a model.

I'm still a happy camper with my Horizon coach and have zero regrets about the purchase.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John_Canfield:

However, there were also several reports of people who routinely use their coaches in the winter and presumably drive on roads treated with chemicals and don't have this sort of problem.

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John, first off, thanks for your posts on this subject. It does looks like Tom's was driven in road salt and not washed properly.

I am one of those who have no signs of damage caused by road salt, and I am constantly exposed to it up here. I do the following to keep it rust free (or minimal)

HERE IS THE KEYS to no rust from road salt:

1. Wash undercarriage before and after you drive in road salt. Not just a rinse....wear a rain coat and goggles, use your own power washer, put all slides out, crawl under the unit and POWER WASH every nook and cranny. I also use SALT TERMINATOR which breaks down road salt to much success. If you live in a humid area, and leave road salt on your unit, it will fester up QUICK. Power wash the DAY you get home or ASAP.

2. Don't depend on someone else washing your undercarriage. You have no idea what kind of a job they will do. (use a power washer also, and not just a hose)

3. Do NOT purchase a new unit that has any kind of road salt rust on the chassis from a dealer. Do the inspection yourself. YOu dont know how long this has been sitting and sitting on the dealers lot with road salt on it.

4. Don't assume that when you go to Blue Beacon that your undercarriage will be washed...IT WON'T BE! the unit isn't clean if they haven't cleaned the undercarriage.

You can drive the Winter roads only if you use the above cautions. If you don't properly clean your undercarriage, you have yourself to blame, and not Winnebago or the chassis manufacturer or even the dealer.
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I agree that washing the undercarriage is vital after exposure to road salt. However, I do wonder if motorhomes are more prone to this particular problem due to stray currents running through the chassis from all the electronic devices??? I base that on the fact that, while I don't live in an extremely cold climate, all of my vehicles have been exposed to road salt (we do get snow and ice in VA). I always try to wash the vehicle soon after exposure but have not taken great pains to lay on my back and wash the underbelly (usually just spray in the fender wells and shoot some water under the vehicle as best as I can). I'm certainly not convinced the 'undercarriage wash' that you can get at many auto car washes are that thorough. I've never seen much rust on any of my cars, trucks or SUV's.....

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Old 09-11-2007, 05:26 PM   #18
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I HAVE EXPERIENCED RUST ON THE STORAGE BAYS (SUNCRUISER) BUT THAT IS FROM DRIVING IN THE WINTERS MONTHS. I DECIEDED TO REMOVE THE RUST AND SPRAY RUBBERIZED UNDERCOATING MYSELF.
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FYI that thread on RV.net was closed due to the Winne bashing children's continual complaining. I PM'ed the original poster and invited him to this thread because I think we all can benefit from the outcome of his misfortunes, maybe even ease the pain a bit.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SCVJeff:
FYI that thread on RV.net was closed due to the Winne bashing children's continual complaining. I PM'ed the original poster and invited him to this thread because I think we all can benefit from the outcome of his misfortunes, maybe even ease the pain a bit. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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