Winnebago View: Xantrex 2000W Inverter Upgrade

[TimothyPaul]

Hi All, I currently have the HF 1000 Pro inverter and would like to upgrade to. 2000 watt inverter the easiest way possible. Looking on EBay, I see two Xantrex Inverters but can’t find any good info on Xantrex site. Does anyone know what the differences are ? Working on a 2017 Winnebago View.

 

[creativepart]

Without the model number it's hard to tell. But some models are inverter/chargers and some are just inverters. Also, there are plenty of Marine versions of Xantrex.

If you listed the Model info then we could tell you exactly what's different. Just seeing a photo isn't really enough info.

Your HF 1000 Pro inverter is an inverter/charger so you want to look for the "Pro" model for the 2000w inverter. Note: you'll have to likely upgrade wiring to and from the inverter to the battery and also upgrade to a higher amp master fuse between the inverter and the battery. Wiring to the main power board for 110v should be fine as is.

PS. not trying to sell you, but I have a 4-month old Xantrex 2,000w model 818-2010 that I removed from my 2026 View 24R when I upgraded to 3,000w back in January. Start a conversion with me if you are interested.

 

[Morich]

If we look closer at the labels, are they not both labeled "Freedom X 2000?
That would make me believe they are the same but possibly built at different times or for different use like RV or boat use.
Without knowing more, I would guess they are the same except for age and color of the cover?

 

[TimothyPaul]

I think you are correct. As creative mentioned I looked closer and they both have the same model number. I am thinking the grey one was for fleet usage and the white one for retail.

I don’t believe the current PRO XM 1000 is a charger, I have some Intelli-power PD something or other underneath the bed which I think is the charger. My long term goal is to be able to run the new Furrion AC off the battery while driving, so I thought this would be a good first step. The Furrion can run off a 2000 watt inverter. I was thinking this could be a plug and play step one in the process.

 

[Morich]

Not sure where you are on the planning but I might point to some info and thoughts. I think you are correct that you have an inverter, not inverter charger. However that info is not all that well shown on online info! More "hints" to read past!
But some info if not found yet?
110wiring here:

https://www.winnebago.com/Files/Files/Winnebago/Resources/Diagram/2016/000180031.pdf

What I see:
Looks like the inverter is wired on different 110AC breaker than converter input! Note 6 adds some info on that?

I think you will be correct in the converter is behind the load center. Do you hear a hum near that as is is normal for some AC hum!
I looked at the new parts catalog they give us but it is not working to get what I wanted for the ocnverter. I do see the 1000watt inverter in the compartment but no converter that I can get a look! I'm guessing by putting the note and info together that the converter is directly behind the load center and plugged in? That is not the norm as I find many actually part of the load center, but finding the true story is needed!
The biggie may be finding if the existing wire for in and out from the inverter as well as breakers are right sized for a new 2000 Watt? I think the converter portion is not involved for you!
Wish you luck as the planning can be the hard part!

 

[klook]

And you need to study AC units and power requirements before settling on a 2000w inverter. Can run it, and will run it for long depends on many things.

 

[Morich]

I was wandering/wondering today and found a different look at the converter that I could not see on the 110AC drawings! In their thinking, it shows as 12VDc equipment! I guess we can't have it both places?

Works as a bed warmer? No labels but converter only and appears to match what you posted in your picture!

 

[TimothyPaul]

And you need to study AC units and power requirements before settling on a 2000w inverter. Can run it, and will run it for long depends on many things.

Yea. I wondered about that too. That’s Furrion’s specs. I have a power watchdog and do notice it typically runs about 9-10 amps. If in turbo mode, it pulls a tad bit over 20 amps so obviously turbo mode wouldn’t work. But I was very surprised that before I left for this past trip in will run on my 15 amp circuit at the shop with no issues. The picture below is right now with unit at 72 degrees and ambient air temp at 86. I think it should be fine on a 2000watt as long as I keep all the other devices such as the hot water heater off. When I get back I’m going to run an experiment, I have a 2000 watt inverter generator I may plug it into and see what happens.

 

[TimothyPaul]

Not sure where you are on the planning but I might point to some info and thoughts. I think you are correct that you have an inverter, not inverter charger. However that info is not all that well shown on online info! More "hints" to read past!
But some info if not found yet?
110wiring here:

https://www.winnebago.com/Files/Files/Winnebago/Resources/Diagram/2016/000180031.pdf

What I see:
Looks like the inverter is wired on different 110AC breaker than converter input! Note 6 adds some info on that?

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I think you will be correct in the converter is behind the load center. Do you hear a hum near that as is is normal for some AC hum!
I looked at the new parts catalog they give us but it is not working to get what I wanted for the ocnverter. I do see the 1000watt inverter in the compartment but no converter that I can get a look! I'm guessing by putting the note and info together that the converter is directly behind the load center and plugged in? That is not the norm as I find many actually part of the load center, but finding the true story is needed!
The biggie may be finding if the existing wire for in and out from the inverter as well as breakers are right sized for a new 2000 Watt? I think the converter portion is not involved for you!
Wish you luck as the planning can be the hard part!

It’s funny, right after I made my post, I went to Winnebagos site and saw this and then got really confused. I don’t think I ever noticed this call out before.

One of the things I was trying to avoid is ending up with a wiring mess. My thinking ( not necessarily the smartest) was to replace the 1000 inverter with the bigger inverter. Down the road, replace the converter with a similar one that support lithium (mine doesn’t) and then add two replacement 165ah Lithiums batteries for the AGMs. Add maybe 300 watts of solar, the factory wiring is already there, and I should be okay for most of my needs. my goal is to have about 4-5 hours of AC while driving for my dogs. Right now I have been using the generator, which is okay, but It is a bit expensive on propane. I’m in southern Florida so the AC season can be a bit long.

I’ve looked at some of the Victron stuff and looked at some other options, but this kind of looks like something that I can upgrade over time with the least wiring headaches.

 

[TimothyPaul]

One of the other things I have thought about, but have not looked into, is how to get the AC wiring on the inverter side… probably should look into that soon. Lol

 

[klook]

Yea. I wondered about that too. That’s Furrion’s specs. I have a power watchdog and do notice it typically runs about 9-10 amps. If in turbo mode, it pulls a tad bit over 20 amps so obviously turbo mode wouldn’t work. But I was very surprised that before I left for this past trip in will run on my 15 amp circuit at the shop with no issues. The picture below is right now with unit at 72 degrees and ambient air temp at 86. I think it should be fine on a 2000watt as long as I keep all the other devices such as the hot water heater off. When I get back I’m going to run an experiment, I have a 2000 watt inverter generator I may plug it into and see what happens.

Its not that it wont run it, it will. But it will be running hot maxed out. And you will need to have heavy wires from the battery to the inverter. I have a 3000w(2400 continuous) Victron and it will run it. But don't turn anything else on. I am impressed if the Furrion only pulls 9 to 10 amps, but that is AC power. Multiply by 10 and figure 10 to 20% loss in inverting. The 2000w works out to just over 16.7 amps it is producing, AC. That also means you will be pulling 170 amps of DC to run it. Don't use anything less then 3/0 wire and the calculations say a 225 amp fuse.

 

[creativepart]

One of the other things I have thought about, but have not looked into, is how to get the AC wiring on the inverter side… probably should look into that soon. Lol

Generally, the A/C wiring from the Inverter to the Circuit Breakers should be Household Romex and not need any upgrades. But, it would be a good idea to at least check it out.

Also, thinking of getting 4-5 hrs of A/C from two 165ah LFP batteries is wishful thinking. And even if you could the batteries would be totally depleted and require plenty of generator hours to recover.

You would want 600ah of battery storage to get closer to meeting your needs in anything warmer than about 85 degrees.

My 2026 View has 320ah of Lithium and a high efficiency Truma A/C and the A/C runs well on inverter but after 1.5-2 hours the battery is 60% depleted and the inverter struggles to put out enough energy to run the compressor. Sudden resets are common at this stage. Not good if needed for pets.

 

[Morich]

Looking at the overall plan and later, I might throw in looking at moving and changing several things due to wiring changes needed?
The current inverter is in a compartment some distance from the fuses and breakers for DC in and AC out. I think those will both be at the load center currently. If done all at teh same time, would it fit to move to an inverter charger, placed in behind the load center where the converter is now? Lots of small points that done show on drawings are going to be critical to making it work, though! How much heat and/or noise does it make under the bed?
But the good side would be that the run from DC which starts at the load center and goes to the compartment as well as the AC output which also comes back to that load center would be lots shorter wire runs, if practical to replace both inverter and converter at the same time and place the inverter charger where the converter sets, right behind the load center.
How to get past the breaker and fuse changes needed, space, and also how to work out the battery disconnect relay and switch can get messy to figure! That part may get into needing to add a new box for load center needs?
How much OUCH to the finances all at once may also be a biggie!
Good to look down the road as the total thing may be cheaper if done all at one time instead of redo.
Like a house remodel, the details of what we want at the end can get tricky!

 

[TimothyPaul]

Okay well based on everyone’s insights and knowledge. I think I may Go into a holding on this. Idea on hold for a bit and stick with the generator.