Outlets work in Inverter but NOT on shore power??? 2016 Aspect

[RV_Lee]

I just added another 400 watts of solar and swapped out the factory 1000W Xantrex modified sine inverter for a 1000W pure sine Renogy w/ auto transfer switch https://www.renogy.com/products/100...th-ups-transfer-switch-and-built-in-bluetooth

I've been boondocking for over month and the new system works great, but I got tired of that and came into the city to an RV resort. I plugged the rig in (inverter off) and I heard the onboard auto transfer switch click on but when I went into the RV nothing happened. I went out to the power post, turned off the breaker and turned it back on and the microwave turned on which lets me know I am now on shore power.

Except I kinda wasn't, the two outlets down the driver side of the RV still didn't work (but they did on the passenger side!)

What is going on with this thing? No breakers were tripped

I used the convection oven to make a pizza and have switched back to running off battery and inverter so I can use the outlets

 

[l1v3fr33ord1]

According to the wiring diagrams for the 2016 Winnebago Aspect 27K (link here), some of the receptacles on the driver side are fed from the "BLU" breaker (not the inverter) and pass through a GFCI outlet in the galley. I'd check the GFCI to see if it is tripped.

 

[Morich]

Depends on where the new inverter was placed in the whole setup. If still in the same place as as part of the OEM wiring, it still only feeds what was fed before and that doesn't include much of the driver's side outlets if wiring rerouting changes were not made as part of the swap.
Part of the details will depend on the build date and options on the RV.

 

[RV_Lee]

Depends on where the new inverter was placed in the whole setup. If still in the same place as as part of the OEM wiring, it still only feeds what was fed before and that doesn't include much of the driver's side outlets if wiring rerouting changes were not made as part of the swap.
Part of the details will depend on the build date and options on the RV.

It directly replaced the factory installed inverter, right in the same spot even. Factory inverter powered 4 outlets.

I just went out and switched back to shore power, again microwave comes on as well as king antenna but the ONLY outlet that works is the GFCI one by the door, none of the other one work ????

This is the one, thank lv1

https://www.winnebago.com/Files/Files/Winnebago/Resources/Diagram/2016/192237.pdf

Its a late build 2016 aspect 27K and even managed to get the 6-spd auto

 

[Waterbug]

It directly replaced the factory installed inverter, right in the same spot even. Factory inverter powered 4 outlets.

I just went out and switched back to shore power, again microwave comes on as well as king antenna but the ONLY outlet that works is the GFCI one by the door, none of the other one work ????

This is the one, thank lv1

https://www.winnebago.com/Files/Files/Winnebago/Resources/Diagram/2016/192237.pdf

Try testing that GFCI and resetting it.

 

[Hopeful1]

We have a 2016 Aspect 30J and had the same issue once. Reset inside GFI outlets with no luck. Their is another one in the outside hatch where the other breakers are located. Reset the one at the receptacle inside the hatch. Worked for us! Good luck

 

[RV_Lee]

Try testing that GFCI and resetting it.

I did, made no difference - had high hopes though!

 

[RV_Lee]

We have a 2016 Aspect 30J and had the same issue once. Reset inside GFI outlets with no luck. Their is another one in the outside hatch where the other breakers are located. Reset the one at the receptacle inside the hatch. Worked for us! Good luck

This hatch? The receptical on the right is the inverter

 

[Hopeful1]

Correct. Reset the outlet at the receptacle on the right just inside the hatch.

 

[Hopeful1]

Reset the GFI on that receptacle.

 

[RV_Lee]

Reset the GFI on that receptacle.

Thats on the Xantrax inverter I had replaced a few weeks ago. The new one also has GFCI protection but all you can do is turn off and restart the inverter to reset it and I have done so.

 

[Hopeful1]

Did it work?

 

[RV_Lee]

Did it work?

No

 

[Hopeful1]

Curious what you end up discovering.

 

[Morich]

Lots of different methods and drawings that give us different views. For looking at the physical location of things and how wires are placed, the install drawings can be good. But for getting the overall view of where things like the inverter set in the whole, I like to look at the schematics. They give a much wider view but less picture of what things look like in real life.
I find this gives me a better picture of what to expect the inverter to feed as it was wired from the factory.
2016 Aspect 27K and the later year build with 2 as 7th digit of serial number?
From this drawing set:

https://www.winnebago.com/Files/Files/Winnebago/Resources/Diagram/2016/000181586.pdf

Assuming the RV wiring had not been changed and OEM wiring, the inverter seems to get normal AC from circuit ID as BRN on one breaker and also has access to DC from batteries to "make" the Ac when no shore power. The output from the inverter only fed a few of the outlet as I've marked, where passing the shore power on through or the power from inverter.

But if we look up further on this same drawing to see what else it shows we can get other details. Part of those details are what is NOT fed by the output from the inverter if left as OEM wired!

If no shore power from cord or generator the load center is dead! No AC in nor out!
All circuits dead except those I marked on the first drawing and that means much of the RV is not powered. Circuit marked BRN is powered through inverter using battery power but all others are not powered if there are not wires changed to move them off the load center and get output off the inverter.
Or as shown on the drawing you posted, we get this in picture form,

If wiring is as built, this shows AC from breaker on BRN but on the output side it only connects on to that small group of outlets on BRN2, not most of the RV!

Check me on that as confusion can be the name of the game!!!

 

[RV_Lee]

Is this showing that some of the power goes through the inverter, even when its off, when on shore power?

I have it plugged in again to check things.
- Front TV DOESN'T turn on (will work off inverter only)
Rear TV DOES turn on (also works off inverter only)
Bathroom outlet WORKS (doesnt work when running off inverter)
Microwave / Convection WORKS (doesnt work on inverter)
King antenna WORKS (also works on inverter)
Roof AC also WORKS (doesnt on inverter)
The only outlets working off shore power are the doorway GFCI and the bathroom - both that DO NOT work on inverter!

As far as I know the shop wired up the new inverter exactly how the old one was and I even asked him, he just said "2 in and 2 out, easy"

 

[Morich]

I can't find info to verify that power passes through this inverter, I might expect it would but unable to verify! But I marked up what I would expect to find on the other things mentioned. The TV are on the same line after the inverter and should both operate the same as both one after the other on the same line! Check simple things like cord loose, etc. ?
Most things mentioned do seem right as I noted on this:

I see plugs on the inverter front, so one way to verify it is working is to plug a lamp, etc. into one of those plugs. If the outlet works when RV plugged into power and inverter turned off, expect the other inside to do the same. Then if it works off inverter when RV unplugged but inverter turned on, that tells you the inverter is making the power and passing it on!

 

[RV_Lee]

Thank you for all the help and diagrams Richard but it turns out it was a simple oversight. The inverter needs to be left on when plugged into shore power, which I am not happy about. Its fine now as I am boondocking and rarely plugged in but next summer I may be plugged in for 3+ months and I dont want this inverter on 24/7. It runs hot as is let alone in a hot humid summer locked in a storage compartment with 2 little fans. So I'll be on the look out for one that is pure sine but works like my old one, left off when plugged in.

 

[S.Rodimus]

Not sure if your wiring setup is anything like ours -- but for us, the ONLY plug connected to our inverter is the one that powers the TV/entertainment center. I guess someone really wanted to be able to watch movies while boondocking!