Can I travel 3,200 miles over 25 days without my onboard generator?

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Checking and double checking the rig before we head out on an epic 3,200 25 day RV trip I finally got around to firing up the onboard Cummins Onan RVQG 4000 generator. I replaced the air filter a couple of months ago and ran the generator at that time for a few minutes. Today I tried to crank over the generator and it just does not fire up. Only 50 hours on the clock total. I pulled the spark plug and installed a new plug, again does not fire up. I was down to almost 1/4 of a tank of gas so I filled up the gas tank to Full. Tried to crank over the generator again, no results.

Here's my question, on the upcoming trip we will be dry camping only twice and for 1 night at each of those stops. I should be able to dry camp well enough without my generator? RV fridge is Domenic running on propane as an option, house batteries are one month old. Water pump can run on house batteries for showering, etc. If I can't get my generator to work all is not lost?
 
I think your plan can be done without problems. Pumping water has a high amp draw and could be an issue. (I wouldn't shower on those nights.)

It all comes down to how many amp hours you have available and how you use them. We don't know that, but many others have easily accomplished what you want to do.
 
Lots of little details involved! That makes it important to stay a bit flexible!
Weather is a biggie as well as what you do when you camp. Weather tends to vary too much to predict what you will find and how much power we feel needed will also vary. Get a sudden cold or hot shift and want to stay inside to watch lots more TV and things get questionable!
But we have never found it critical to run the generator in all the time we've camped. We never got used to having it and generally just shift any plans for what we find when we get there.
We don't like the commercial parks and we don't like going bareback, so we often find parks along the way that are in between like the Corps parks. Lakes are our things, so we search them out and have hookups for water and power in many cases and we also like the lower cost.
Maybe look at the route and see if there are places along the drive that might not be your first choice but might work fine for alternates when/if things go the wrong way.

Mention of showering brings a point? If showers are needed, there is also the option of letting the RV engine idle while you shower and that lets the alternator provide any power if it becomes a question. Also, as an option we rarely used, most campground will have showers. They are not my fav but that is part of being flexible!
We often preferred going to the lake if showers were needed. But we also tried not to travel in the places where we would not want to get in the water! Swimming with snakes and gators is NOT on my list!
 
Of course you can do it. Lots of folks dry camp without generators. If the weather is hot you sit outside in the shade till nightfall then open your roof hatch fans and your windows to draw in the cool night air. Enjoy the peace and quiet.
 
The only bad thing is you will not be able to run the Microwave Oven. If you have the 1,000 watt inverter, you should be able to run a single-cup coffee maker on that, otherwise plan upon making your coffee the old-fashioned way on the stove.
Eagle5
 
I think your plan can be done without problems. Pumping water has a high amp draw and could be an issue. (I wouldn't shower on those nights.)

It all comes down to how many amp hours you have available and how you use them. We don't know that, but many others have easily accomplished what you want to do.
We only have 2 nights dry camping. I can always splash myself down with a gallon of water. For the Lady of the RV, I can run the water pump while running the vehicle engine as to not draw down my house batteries?
 
You will run out of water way before you run out of battery power to pump it.
I can dry-camp in mine for three nights, and if I didn't need the microwave oven, I wouldn't have had to run the generator at all.
 
Yes, on running the RV engine if you feel you may run low on battery. The engine running lets the alternator connect to the coach AND the chassis batteries while it runs. So as long as you are okay with running the engine, you are likely to have near unlimited time for battery life as the alternator can put out way more power than you are like to use with pumps, lights and fans.
One thing to watch if doing this for long periods might be to check the engine temp once in a while as some don't cool as much as needed when at just idle speed.
The price of gas may be more likely to shut you down?
But that can be a pretty cheap price for the amount of time it takes the pardner to shower! ;)
 
Did you prime the generator before trying to start it by holding the STOP side of the switch down for at least 30 seconds?
 
We have 18 run-hours on our 5 -yesr-old generator and 1 of those hours was used while camping. The rest were for exercising it while stored.

Yes, you can easily do it. Years ago, we put 27,000 miles on our travel trailer with no generator, two 12v Group 24 deep-cycle batteries, and no solar. We dry camped and boondocked much of the time, but only for 1-2 nights at a time. We even took it to Alaska and dry camped in provincial parks, wildlife refuges, and USFS cgs.

Replacing the OEM 12v interior incandescent light bulbs with LEDs was our only electricity-saving mod. When we dry camped, we just used a pour-over coffee maker and a stovetop burner camp toaster instead of the Mr. Coffee and electric toaster. Worked grest and we didn't know any different because we had never had solar or a generstor.

EVERY RV is already equipped to go one night without hookups! No, you won"t be able to run the AC, watch TV, and probably should only charge your devices while driving using USB ports and 12v plugs. But you should have no problem using your lights, water pump, propane or 12v fridge, water heater, and other 12v items for one night.
 
You can always run your engine to charge up the batteries - if necessary. But for what you are planning you probably do not need a generator. Went to Alaska from Florida for four months and never ran mine except for five days in Denali NP. If you have solar, it helps a lot.
 
I think you will be much happier with the generator. Those gasoline carburetors don't like to sit long (more than 4 months?) Without starting them up because the carburetor tends to get gummed up which clogs the noozzles and prevents fuel flow. If it gets real bad you have to remove the carburetor and try cleaning it with carburetor cleaner, of totally replace the carburetor. You might try spraying ether (buy in auto parts store) into the intake part of the carburetor (while trying to start) after you remove the air cleaner, or somehow gaining access to the carburetor air-intake system. Be carefull because you might see flames popping out of the carburetor. Mechanics do it all the time. If you don't want to use ether (sp?) Squirting gasoline into the the carburetor might work too. Again, a common procedure performed by mechanics to try and start the engine. If you can get it running, the fuel flow may be enough to clean the carburetor. You will be traveling during the hot summer and will need the generator to run the AC, etc. Been there, done that! Good luck! Larry, 2014 Reyo P
 
Checking and double checking the rig before we head out on an epic 3,200 25 day RV trip I finally got around to firing up the onboard Cummins Onan RVQG 4000 generator. I replaced the air filter a couple of months ago and ran the generator at that time for a few minutes. Today I tried to crank over the generator and it just does not fire up. Only 50 hours on the clock total. I pulled the spark plug and installed a new plug, again does not fire up. I was down to almost 1/4 of a tank of gas so I filled up the gas tank to Full. Tried to crank over the generator again, no results.

Here's my question, on the upcoming trip we will be dry camping only twice and for 1 night at each of those stops. I should be able to dry camp well enough without my generator? RV fridge is Domenic running on propane as an option, house batteries are one month old. Water pump can run on house batteries for showering, etc. If I can't get my generator to work all is not lost?
A lot depends upon the integrity and design of your house batteries. I presume they are charged while driving and also when you plug in. I also presume you have a hardwired voltmeter. My coach is 20 years old (158K miles) and I've never had an issue w/ my propane generator except when wasps blocked the air one time. We use it a lot. We cross country at up to 750 mi/day.
 
Checking and double checking the rig before we head out on an epic 3,200 25 day RV trip I finally got around to firing up the onboard Cummins Onan RVQG 4000 generator. I replaced the air filter a couple of months ago and ran the generator at that time for a few minutes. Today I tried to crank over the generator and it just does not fire up. Only 50 hours on the clock total. I pulled the spark plug and installed a new plug, again does not fire up. I was down to almost 1/4 of a tank of gas so I filled up the gas tank to Full. Tried to crank over the generator again, no results.

Here's my question, on the upcoming trip we will be dry camping only twice and for 1 night at each of those stops. I should be able to dry camp well enough without my generator? RV fridge is Domenic running on propane as an option, house batteries are one month old. Water pump can run on house batteries for showering, etc. If I can't get my generator to work all is not lost?
I had same problem with my Onan generator. I changed out plug, filter , electric pump and still would not start. I traced the two wires that are attached to the small selenoid on the carberator fuel bowl. the selenoid prevents fuel flow to carb if engine not running. One wire was chewed off by mice so when ignition was on I was not getting any fuel to carb. This may or may not be the problem but it's worth a peek. Wishing you luch on your journey

Geo
 
Bob, since your RV is a 2016 with only 50 hours on the genset, I have to assume you don't use the generator and have never exercised it. I can almost guarantee that the problem you are having now is the need for a new carb because gas has been allowed to sit in it until it has gummed up. If you are a mechanic, you can pull the carb, clean it, replace any parts needed, and put it back together. If not, you'll have to buy a new one, and they're not cheap. If this is a gummed-up gasoline problem, you may also be forced to replace your fuel filter and fuel pump.

When I bought my 2005 Adventurer in 2015, the original owner seldom used the genset and never exercised it, so it showed 69 hours on a ten-year-old unit. I had the same issue you had and took it to Cummins, who told me I needed a new carb. $1,100 later, I had a genset that ran very well.

I won't comment on your original question to the forum regarding whether or not you'll be able to take your trip successfully without the generator. But I want to give you some advice regarding the generator for future use so you don't have the same problem in the future.

If you check your owner's manual, you'll find that routine maintenance is needed at specific periods. Every 150 hours, you need to change the oil, filter, fuel filter, and air filter. Since you haven't reached that time frame yet, you still need to change your oil and oil filter once a year because the oil will degrade over time and lose its viscosity. Every 500 hours, you need to change your spark plug, so you already did this a little prematurely. The owner's manual will not tell you that you also need 1,000-hour maintenance done by a Cummins mechanic that essentially breaks down the engine and replaces anything worn out, such as the drive belt. This has to be done with the genset removed from the RV, and it takes special tools, so it is advised to take the RV to a Cummins facility to have it done. About every 800 hours, you need to change the brushes and clean the slip rings that create the electricity. That also isn't in the owner's manual.

To avoid the problem you currently have, you should exercise the generator at least every month for two hours under at least a 50% load. This can be accomplished easily if you have a/c. Simply turn it on and let it run for a while. I have found that exercising the genset every two weeks for one hour is better than only once a month, but that's because I have easy access to my coach while it is in storage. Some owners don't have that ability, so at the very least, the genset must be exercised monthly to avoid gas turning into lacquer inside the carb. There are other reasons that Cummins suggests this exercise that I won't go into now.

Something else that must be done when the coach is in storage is putting a gasoline preservative in the tank, for the sake of both the generator and your engine. Gasoline in today's world doesn't last as long as it used to; some people will tell you it goes bad after a month. I don't think it's quite that extreme, but I use a large bottle of Sta-Bil for a full tank of gas, and I make sure the tank is full when I put the coach in storage so there is no room in the tank for condensation to form.

I try to take good care of my generator because my wife and I take three to four-month cross-country trips in our coach every year, and we have replaced the original Norcold two-way refrigerator with a 12V dual compressor system, so we have to have 12V power at all times. I have replaced my original group 24 house batteries with group 27s for additional reserve, but even then, we still need those batteries recharged while we're on the road by running the generator. We use our generator while on the road almost all the time because our three large dogs behind us need the coach's a/c running in the summer. The dash a/c isn't enough.

Good luck with your current problem, and I hope you can make your planned trip without the genset. When you return, plan on dropping some money on a new carb. I just spent $2,100 having mine torn down for its 3,000-hour service. It needed a new intake manifold along with a new drive belt. That's still a lot cheaper than having to buy a new unit. If you take good care of these things, they will run for 10,000 hours.
 
One day my Onan at 100 hours but 14 years old acted similarly. I suspect it sat too much with prior owner who did not run it for an hour regularly and it corroded the armature creating an open circuit so no output voltage. It would try to start, but die immediately. Replaced the plugs, points, the regulator (spendy part), and still no run. Turned out one of the generator brushes was worn out and carboned the armature. A safety feature is when it could not detect output voltage, it shut down.
Pulled it out, dug out the brushes, saw one was completely worn causing a burned armature, sanded the armature, put in new $20 brushes and it now runs great! Could not find a service center willing to troubleshoot, they wanted to sell me a new $4000 generator.....
 
One day my Onan at 100 hours but 14 years old acted similarly. I suspect it sat too much with prior owner who did not run it for an hour regularly and it corroded the armature creating an open circuit so no output voltage. It would try to start, but die immediately. Replaced the plugs, points, the regulator (spendy part), and still no run. Turned out one of the generator brushes was worn out and carboned the armature. A safety feature is when it could not detect output voltage, it shut down.
Pulled it out, dug out the brushes, saw one was completely worn causing a burned armature, sanded the armature, put in new $20 brushes and it now runs great! Could not find a service center willing to troubleshoot, they wanted to sell me a new $4000 generator.....
That's interesting your brushes only lasted 100 hours before wearing out. I just replaced mine for the first time with 2,650 hours on the unit. Granted, that is exceptionally long, because they should only last about 600-800 hours.

When you say "armature," I assume you're talking about what I call the slip rings. I would be cautious about sanding them down to get the carbon buildup off. The best way to clean them is to use a Scotchbrite pad taped around a paint stir stick. You don't want to take a chance of sanding the rings down; only the buildup that's on them. But you are correct about service centers not knowing about brush issues. The only service center I know of that is aware of items such as that is Cummins-Onan. That's because RV service centers usually won't get their hands on a Cummins service manual, which is the only place you'll find this addressed.

If you paid $20 for your brushes, you might not be able to expect them to last more than 100 hours. An OEM set of brushes from Cummins will run you about $57 from Amazon. I learned my lesson last year on a cross-country trip about using non-OEM parts in my generator. I went through two $26 fuel pumps that were garbage before finally biting the bullet and spending $264 for a Cummins fuel pump.
 

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