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01-17-2017, 09:32 PM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 195
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D Lindy I agree. Plus WBGO will get the benefit of some of the former Country Coach craftsmanship workers, going back to work at their old factory. That should be a plus.
Regards,
W.D.
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01-18-2017, 08:19 AM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Full time RV'er
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Over production to meet demand is not a proper excuse for poor quality.
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01-18-2017, 09:30 AM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 151
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One has to define "quality". What works in a S&B with no weight issues does not always work in a MH with weight and size limits.
From my perspective I could not conceive 22 problems I would not catch on the PDI and refuse the unit until fixed. OTOH a lot of small stuff is easier for me to fix than write up.
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01-18-2017, 10:13 AM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leesburg, Fl
Posts: 157
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D Lindy
I think you'll see a big improvement in all their RV's quality now that they have moved their diesel Class A production to the west coast facility. Their facility at Forest City IA was just over crowded with all the different models they needed to push thru there to meet demands.
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I certainly hope so! Based on my own personal experience and some of what I saw being repaired at the factory and listening to other owners, the only direction they can really go is that of improvement. I really want to be optimistic here, but based on that and some of what I heard from Winnebago employees, I will take a "wait and see" approach.
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01-19-2017, 11:53 AM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Fulltime Traveler
Posts: 24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nothermark
One has to define "quality". What works in a S&B with no weight issues does not always work in a MH with weight and size limits. From my perspective I could not conceive 22 problems I would not catch on the PDI and refuse the unit until fixed. OTOH a lot of small stuff is easier for me to fix than write up.
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Most of the warranty problems do not show up for months. For example, my
wood trims were stapled on rather than screwed on and it took 5,000 miles of driving before they jiggled around enough to fall apart.
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01-19-2017, 11:58 AM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Vancouver, WA
Posts: 560
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Electra 225
I have been a builder, and I have a good eye. Bad fit, crooked lines etc drives me mad..... (obsessive).....ha! That goes for cheap junk materials too. I would have never given the coach a second look if I saw that in the 1st couple minutes.
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I have the same "problem". Spent years as a construction inspector and draftsman before that.
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01-19-2017, 12:12 PM
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#27
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 122
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RV Vagabond
I bought a new Winnebago Solei for $170,000. I have found they used many cost cutting poorly installed shortcuts and seemed to skip the quality control department. They have another similar model but 5 feet longer, the Ellipse, which costs almost twice as much. I wonder if for twice the money would I just be getting more square footage or if I would also be getting a much higher quality product. What do you think
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It's really sad that most manufacturers build the lowest quality units they can and then charge top dollar for their inferior products.
That's business as usual. There are some that build quality units, but you pay for them.
I had similar issues but with a lot of effort I have what I consider a good unit. It took time and a lot of money to replace all the junk with quality material. Manufacturers should be offering options to improve their terrible quality. If we had the option to upgrade the plumbing fixtures, construction without staples, etc then people would jump at the chance, I think. How about just vacuuming out all the junk created during construction? Doesn't anyone have any pride in what they sell.
We demand low prices and with that comes low quality.
Same is true in housing or just about any product we buy.
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01-19-2017, 01:05 PM
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Winnebago Watcher
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 2
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RV industry appears to have the same standards as that of the 1970s Auto industry !
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01-19-2017, 01:42 PM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Leesburg, Fl
Posts: 157
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeljag
RV industry appears to have the same standards as that of the 1970s Auto industry !
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Good analogy, but I think you are being to kind!
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01-20-2017, 07:47 AM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 151
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RV Vagabond
Most of the warranty problems do not show up for months. For example, my
wood trims were stapled on rather than screwed on and it took 5,000 miles of driving before they jiggled around enough to fall apart.
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Screws would fall apart faster under vibratory loads. That is aside from a huge cost differential between staples and a screw in a plugged hole. The real weak link is wood. It expands, breaks cell walls then contracts and is loose because of the broken cells. The slop lets the fasteners work. That enlarges the hole more. The wood movement can be from changes in either moisture or temperature.
The problems are well known in the fine woodworking circles but largely ignored in the rest of the world. A lot of it was learned from repairing old furniture and cabinetry in a wide variety of situations. Off hand I cannot think of anything other than adding some flexible adhesives that would solve the problem. Again, expensive and fussy.
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