Diesel vs Gas

[creativepart]

Originally Posted by RightUR

As you should be, that's all that matters.

P.s. Hey neighbor, Good to meet you. You're in spring branch I'm on 410 and 281 in San Antone.

We are 1/2 a mile from 281 and 46 - in River Crossing.

[SaltLife]

Originally Posted by RightUR

No in the U.S.A, if it comes to that, many of our vehicles will be "Grandfathered."

No doubt. Not everyone can afford a new car. I'm done with 2500 trucks. They're around $60 plus. Cars are above $30k. They'll have to grandfather vehicles until they're no longer driveable.

[SaltLife]

Originally Posted by RightUR

OMG a 400Hp on a 40' is gravy. Initially we wanted a 40'. the DW kept saying "nothing bigger than a 40' " I didn't mind, fine with me. Then we got into the tour/ellipse and she saw the Floor plan with the dual vanity and she said:"this is it, take it." I said:"You do know this is 43 ft (42'10"), right?" all of a sudden she didn't care. LOL. In my mind I was thinking:"Darn, I should have shown her a 45 footer with dual vanity AND Walk in closet." LOL.

Screwed up again. Your next one.....

[RightUR]

Originally Posted by creativepart

I'll add to my comment above... the Class A gas motorhomes have the 3-valve head and have been derated in HP to move peak torque to a more usable 3,000 rpm.

We previously owned a 31' Class C with E450. It had the same motor but with the 2-valve head. It was pre-2016 so it had the 5 spd transmission.

That class C was noisy, difficult to drive and no fun to live with.

Sometimes when folks respond to the Gas/Diesel question all they know about is what their experience has been. For us the difference between the 2015 E450 and the 2017 F53 is a day and night difference.

No doubt, No doubt. I can't really speak about Mohos that are 40 ft and below. Many here seem to have a Mohos between 38 and 32 ft. There's no doubt in my mind that I'd be in a Gasser too if it was 32 to 36, 37 feet. In fact we wanted the nice outdoor kitchen offered on some of the Gassers, but a priority to the DW was the Floor plan. Your DPs don't have that Nice big Outdoor kitchen in the back because the Diesel Engine are mostly Rear engines and take up too much room in the back. We looked for FREDS but nothing that suited us.

[RightUR]

Originally Posted by SaltLife

No doubt. Not everyone can afford a new car. I'm done with 2500 trucks. They're around $60 plus. Cars are above $30k. They'll have to grandfather vehicles until they're no longer driveable.

I think I'm on my last truck. If it takes a dump on me, I'm willing to change out the motor or have it rebuilt. I love the Extended cab models and nowadays everything is 4 doors. So instead of spending 17K+ on newer models I'll just get a rebuilt engine for 3000 to 4000.

[Reniram]

I am very happy with my 2018 Vista 29ve with the new 362 HP V10 motor matched up to a new transmission..compared to my 2014 this performs much better especially in the Mountains of Colorado..Ford has realized the V10 engines are getting old in the tooth and the new 7+ liter V8 should be a big improvement with increased HP and Torque.

[creativepart]

Originally Posted by Reniram

I am very happy with my 2018 Vista 29ve with the new 362 HP V10 motor matched up to a new transmission..

While the Ford Triton V10 is available in some trucks with 362hp, the V10 in the 2018 Vista 29ve has the following engine spec:

Horsepower
320 hp @ 3,900 RPM

Torque
460 ft-lbs. @ 3,000 RPM

Older models pre-2016 did have the 362 HP. When Ford went to the 6-sp trans they lowered the HP rating to get peak HP and peak Torque at a more usable RPM to work with the new double overdrive transmission.

See the spec sheet for your exact model below:

[Reniram]

Originally Posted by creativepart

While the Ford Triton V10 is available in some trucks with 362hp, the V10 in the 2018 Vista 29ve has the following engine spec:

Horsepower
320 hp @ 3,900 RPM

Torque
460 ft-lbs. @ 3,000 RPM

Older models pre-2016 did have the 362 HP. When Ford went to the 6-sp trans they lowered the HP rating to get peak HP and peak Torque at a more usable RPM to work with the new double overdrive transmission.

See the spec sheet for your exact model below:

Yes you are partly correct... Winnie specs state 320 hp @ 3900 rpm but if you read on with the actual Fomoco stats you will understand that as the revs increase so does the H P. revealing 362 @ 4,750 RPM

[creativepart]

Originally Posted by Reniram

Yes you are partly correct... Winnie specs state 320 hp @ 3900 rpm but if you read on with the actual Fomoco stats you will understand that as the revs increase so does the H P. revealing 362 @ 4,750 RPM

Those are Ford company specs not Winnebago specs. Check Tiffin, Newmar, Thor... all are identical specs. Those numbers are peak.

Pre-2016 numbers were higher at higher RPMs when the chassis had a 5-speed transmission.

[Reniram]

Originally Posted by creativepart

Those are Ford company specs not Winnebago specs. Check Tiffin, Newmar, Thor... all are identical specs. Those numbers are peak.

Pre-2016 numbers were higher at higher RPMs when the chassis had a 5-speed transmission.

You are correct....but misled at the same time....The newer V10 does indeed make 320 HP at 3900 RPM... Then when it reaches 4750 rpm it produces 362 HP. and it redlines close to 6000 RPM..The V10 is not renowned for low RPM horsepower and Ford have recognized that , so now we are getting a monster V8 which will be a game changer in the torque dept.

[creativepart]

Not to argue with you, but I believe the 320hp is a peak number and above 3900 the HP curve goes lower, not higher.

Naturally, Ford wants to promote the highest possible HP and Torque ratings for the engine. So, there is no reason to publish it at 320 peak if it's really 368 peak.

I know Ford sells this exact same engine in various chassis configurations with higher HP numbers, it's just not one used by motorhome manufacturers.

Do you have any proof of your numbers that you could share?

Also, there were high hopes for the new V8 to show Torque in the 500 ft-lb range, but the final numbers released for the motorhome version of the F53 are not all that much higher than the V10. The published spec from Ford is 350 HP and 468 ft-lb Torque. Both at 3900 RPM.

And the once rumored 10-spd transmission has changed to the 6-speed. But there's a new rumor that the 10-spd will come later. We'll see.

[Reniram]

Originally Posted by creativepart

Not to argue with you, but I believe the 320hp is a peak number and above 3900 the HP curve goes lower, not higher.

The numbers Winnebago industries put out are correct for all their various gas powered models...This is in alignment with the Federal Emission regulations..I suppose there would be fines and fees when they exceed the Feds specifications so they drew a line in the sand to allow the RV industry to continue..All bets are off when the RPM goes higher as does the Horsepower and emissions are in the clouds...

[creativepart]

OK, no need to continue going back and forth on this. Let's agree to disagree.

[SaltLife]

That's the thing, everyone is talking hp when in reality torque is what really matters.

[MicroMinnie]

Both are HP & Torque are relevant. The HP is what gets you up to speed, if you don't have it your time to 65MPH onto the highway entry ramp can be a looong ordeal.

Once you're up there different story, now you need all that torque to move that brick through the air, if you don't have enough you'd max out weight or wind drag wise.

[SaltLife]

Torque will get u over the hill....
My RAM is 415hp 435 torque I believe.
MH is 400hp, but 1100 torque. Climbs a hill like nobodies business..... Unlike the RAM...... Yes, one's diesel obvoously....

[cj_calva]

The new f-53 chassis with the 7.3L V8 will have the 6-speed automatic (as well as the the E 350/E 450 cutaway/stripped chassis; look at the ford webpage). The 10-speed automatic (a co-development with GM) is made for better and less fuel-intensive acceleration, the tech-layout is not made for heavy vehicles like a Class-A RV. This gearbox is made for Suburbans, Escalades or Navigators or F-250/350/450.

But there are other nice things on the 2021 f-53 chassis like adaptive cruise control (real great feature) multifunctional steering wheel etc. Just one thing: don't expect that this V8 does 10mpg with a 26000lbs chassis... the 7mpg will stay, just the 5mpg will be gone...

[cdrprn]

We had a 2014 Itasca Suncruiser with the v10 and towed my wife's camry on a flatbed trailer. We made numerous trips across country and had no trouble at all towing. You aren't going to set any speed records and on some grades were were at 25-30 mph. But the v10 had quite a bit of torque for a gas motor. This said, we finally had enough of the F53 chassis and traded it in on a Journey 34B. Can't say we will ever go back to a gas rig because of the suspension issues but it was a good reliable powertrain. Mileage so far has been a bit better in the diesel.

[RightUR]

Originally Posted by cdrprn

We had a 2014 Itasca Suncruiser with the v10 and towed my wife's camry on a flatbed trailer. We made numerous trips across country and had no trouble at all towing. You aren't going to set any speed records and on some grades were were at 25-30 mph. But the v10 had quite a bit of torque for a gas motor. This said, we finally had enough of the F53 chassis and traded it in on a Journey 34B. Can't say we will ever go back to a gas rig because of the suspension issues but it was a good reliable powertrain. Mileage so far has been a bit better in the diesel.

So some of the CG's that we stayed at just allow a toad and the tractor (Moho), they wouldn't allow you to have a flat bed. Some will allow the flat bed in their storage but for an extra fee.

[Joette]

We have a 2013 Vista 27N and tow a 2013 Jeep wrangler and it handles it up and down hill very well. Sure it drops down into the 40's on steep hills, but we're not in a hurry, and pull over to keep traffic from backing up behind us. There isn't that much noise in the cab area from the dog house that we notice.