Micro Minnie Suspension Height - Page 2

Frankf · 05-07-2021, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by backtrack15

If your axles are labeled as 2500#, then the GAWR of each axle is 2500 and I expect the GVWR sticker on the side of the trailer says 5000 (not 7000).

I'll definitely take a look tonight, but the brochure does indeed state that a 2021 model year 2108DS has a GVWR of 7,000 lbs.

Marine359 · 05-07-2021, 07:37 AM

To be sure, every owner of a Micro Mini built after September 1, 2020 should call Winnebago customer service to see if their MM is subject to recall. You just give them the last 5 digits of your VIN, and they will look it up for you. NTHSA recall follows: https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls?nhtsaI...000&refurl=rss

Marine359 · 05-07-2021, 07:45 AM

Yeah, stupid me didn’t check the stamp before taking delivery of what I thought was a 7,000 lb GVWR trailer. I feel comfortable now though since calling WBGO customer service that my 2108ds is safe even with a 5,000 lb GVWR.

backtrack15 · 05-07-2021, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankf

I'll definitely take a look tonight, but the brochure does indeed state that a 2021 model year 2108DS has a GVWR of 7,000 lbs.

The 2021a (prior to 8/2020) did have a 7000 GVWR. After 8/2020 they dropped the GVWR. I’ve explained it and ranted about it in a couple of threads already. I’m sorry you got caught with an early 2021b model. Later ones have 3000 lb axles and a 5500 GVWR.

Edit - Don’t worry too much about the axles. Dexter expects the individual axles in dual-axle trailers to occasionally support the whole axle load. Thus, each can handle 5000 lbs when going over speed bumps or curbs. Dexter would recommend these axles for trailers with GVWR up to 5500 lbs. Forest River uses these axles and, if your trailer had been built by them, it would have a GVWR close to 5700 lbs. They seem to account for the tongue weight and tire/wheel weight when setting their GVWR.

Frankf · 05-07-2021, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine359

To be sure, every owner of a Micro Mini built after September 1, 2020 should call Winnebago customer service to see if their MM is subject to recall. You just give them the last 5 digits of your VIN, and they will look it up for you. NTHSA recall follows: https://www.nhtsa.gov/recalls?nhtsaI...000&refurl=rss

I had a picture of my VIN on my phone. Date: 09/20 So I'm going to call Winnebago now.

Also, my GVWR is listed as 5,000 lbs. So that only gives me 860 lbs of cargo. Not liking this.

Frankf · 05-07-2021, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine359

Yeah, stupid me didn’t check the stamp before taking delivery of what I thought was a 7,000 lb GVWR trailer. I feel comfortable now though since calling WBGO customer service that my 2108ds is safe even with a 5,000 lb GVWR.

You and I are in the same boat, Marine. My VIN sticker is just like yours. I called Winnebago and I'm not subject to the recall. Was told the 2,500 lb axels are good to go. However with just an 860 lb cargo limit, I'm disappointed.

Not sure why Winnebago went from 3,500 to 2,500 lb rated axels. Let me guess. $$$ I have a brochure that states a 7,000 GVWR for that model. Guess I'll just suck it up and motor on. Thanks for all the info.

Frankf · 05-07-2021, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by backtrack15

Edit - Don’t worry too much about the axles. Dexter expects the individual axles in dual-axle trailers to occasionally support the whole axle load. Thus, each can handle 5000 lbs when going over speed bumps or curbs. Dexter would recommend these axles for trailers with GVWR up to 5500 lbs. Forest River uses these axles and, if your trailer had been built by them, it would have a GVWR close to 5700 lbs. They seem to account for the tongue weight and tire/wheel weight when setting their GVWR.

Thanks backtrack. That makes me feel better. I'll never probably exceed a few hundred lbs of cargo, if that. Perhaps one advantage of the 2500's is they probably weight less than the 3500's.

backtrack15 · 05-07-2021, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankf

Thanks backtrack. That makes me feel better. I'll never probably exceed a few hundred lbs of cargo, if that. Perhaps one advantage of the 2500's is they probably weight less than the 3500's.

The biggest advantage is they ride smoother. According to the Dexter parts schematics etc I believe they are mechanically identical to Dexter’s 3500 lb axles except for the rubber inserts in the axle tubes. Thus, no weight savings to speak of but more mechanically robust than expected and supple.

Marine359 · 05-07-2021, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankf

Thanks backtrack. That makes me feel better. I'll never probably exceed a few hundred lbs of cargo, if that. Perhaps one advantage of the 2500's is they probably weight less than the 3500's.

I think the only time we’re gonna come close to 5,000 lbs is if we have full fresh water and full gray and black tanks. That would be 648lbs for the three tanks. That’s only 300lbs remaining before going overweight

backtrack15 · 05-07-2021, 09:11 AM

I was 4730 total the last time I went over a scale. That was with the trailer loaded including fresh water (but empty waste tanks). The part I was thrilled about was the axle load, which was 4080 total. Lots of margin before I get to GAWR.

Frankf · 05-07-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by backtrack15

I was 4730 total the last time I went over a scale. That was with the trailer loaded including fresh water (but empty waste tanks). The part I was thrilled about was the axle load, which was 4080 total. Lots of margin before I get to GAWR.

Good point. I don't think at any point would 100% of the rig weight be 100% distributed over both axels only. Some weight would be distributed over the A-frame and land on the hitch. Dry hitch on the 2018DS is 408 lbs.

There is a grain mill a few miles from my home with scales. Next time I hook up I'm going to have them take some measurements for me.

jwiebe · 05-07-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by backtrack15

I was 4730 total the last time I went over a scale. That was with the trailer loaded including fresh water (but empty waste tanks). The part I was thrilled about was the axle load, which was 4080 total. Lots of margin before I get to GAWR.

This is excellent to read. I have a bit of "weight anxiety" but this quells those fears a bit. Do you know what your tongue weight was at?

backtrack15 · 05-07-2021, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jwiebe

This is excellent to read. I have a bit of "weight anxiety" but this quells those fears a bit. Do you know what your tongue weight was at?

My tongue load is about 650 lbs, as measured with the Sherline trailer tongue scale. I added 650 to the 4080 (CAT scale value for trailer axles) to get 4730.

jonnyr1 · 05-07-2021, 04:18 PM

I'm looking to take delivery of my 2100BH this month. Does anyone happen to have coupler height measurements when the trailer is level? I'd like to get my WDH close ish to the ideal setting to pick it up.

Thanks,

Paul n Nancy · 05-07-2021, 06:13 PM

From Aug 2020 the 2021B 2108DS dropped to 5k and I think in Nov they moved up to 5500.

Frankf · 05-10-2021, 06:35 AM

From Aug 2020 the 2021B 2108DS dropped to 5k and I think in Nov they moved up to 5500.

I wonder if they use the same Dexter 2,500 axels and just changed the GVWR on the label because of the tongue weight is on the tow vehicle?

backtrack15 · 05-10-2021, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankf

From Aug 2020 the 2021B 2108DS dropped to 5k and I think in Nov they moved up to 5500.

I wonder if they use the same Dexter 2,500 axels and just changed the GVWR on the label because of the tongue weight is on the tow vehicle?

The axles are stamped as 3000#. It’s possible they are identical to the 2500# axles but there is no way to know unless you have contacts inside Dexter. I’m pretty confident Dexter wouldn’t stamp them at 3000 without being fully designed for that load.

So... I think 5500 was chosen because it is less threatening than 6000. This whole drop in GVWR was done to stop scaring people away who didn’t understand that you are not forced to load a trailer to GVWR. The smoother ride of the softer axles was a side benefit.

MMouse · 07-01-2021, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by backtrack15

The 2021a (prior to 8/2020) did have a 7000 GVWR. After 8/2020 they dropped the GVWR. I’ve explained it and ranted about it in a couple of threads already. I’m sorry you got caught with an early 2021b model. Later ones have 3000 lb axles and a 5500 GVWR.

Edit - Don’t worry too much about the axles. Dexter expects the individual axles in dual-axle trailers to occasionally support the whole axle load. Thus, each can handle 5000 lbs when going over speed bumps or curbs. Dexter would recommend these axles for trailers with GVWR up to 5500 lbs. Forest River uses these axles and, if your trailer had been built by them, it would have a GVWR close to 5700 lbs. They seem to account for the tongue weight and tire/wheel weight when setting their GVWR.

Curious… how do I know if I have a 2021a or b?

backtrack15 · 07-01-2021, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MMouse

Curious… how do I know if I have a 2021a or b?

Yours is a 2021b or later based on your photo in the tow vehicle thread. You can see the GVWR and GAWR values on the sticker near the front on the street side.

MMouse · 07-01-2021, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by backtrack15

Yours is a 2021b or later based on your photo in the tow vehicle thread. You can see the GVWR and GAWR values on the sticker near the front on the street side.

Okay I’ll have to check that! I too was told mine had 7000 gross weight capacity but never confirmed… I have the gas/electric fridge so figured I had an “a” but I also have the tank heaters which appears to be a “b” feature. They don’t make it easy!