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Old 04-16-2021, 01:34 AM   #1
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OCCC: Vista 27P vs Adventurer 29B

I know OCCC questions are popular but I didn't find anything about 2021 models.

So, I am looking for my first RV. We decided (after renting few) that it should be new F53 class A under 30ft. We are currently choosing between Vista 27P and Adventurer 29B. Lean towards Adventurer because it is not much more expensive but has number of very good small features and options. Recently I've learnt about OCCC and found that it is a number you can't just google. The only way to find it is yellow sticker next to the driver seat. I did my research and here are results:
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Vista 27P (with cooling upgrade): 3245#
Vista 29V: 1875#
Adventurer 27N: 2200#
Adventurer 29B: 1411#
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1411# looks ridiculous to me. Even with 1/3 of water (200#) and my relatively small family (400#) I will have only 800# for all the stuff and food. Vista's 3200# looks a way more reasonable.

We are not full timers, just plan to go to state parks. But I like to have everything I might need with me. Any Adventurer 29B owners here? Will 800# be enough? If not, how do you guys deal with it? I kinda convinced myself that slight overweight (let's say 5% of GVWR) is not a big deal and it should cover our needs.
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Old 04-16-2021, 07:35 AM   #2
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Where did you get those numbers?
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Old 04-16-2021, 01:19 PM   #3
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I went to our local dealers and made a picture of yellow stickers myself.
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Old 04-19-2021, 02:14 PM   #4
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Not a single Adventurer 29B or older Vista LX (which I believe a predecessor of Adventurer 29) here?
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Old 04-19-2021, 02:45 PM   #5
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FYI, I have a 2015 Vista 27N (it's like the 2016, etc. 27N LX and early versions of the Adventurer 27Ns before they upgraded the Adventurer 27N to two ACs and 50 Amps), it's length is 29' 6" with 3 slides including a long slide on the passenger side and it's OCCC label says 2767 lbs. I had mine 4 corners weighted at Escapees in Livingston and can confirm this is accurate. It carries slightly under 1,000 pounds more weight on the passenger side tires than on the driver's side tires when loaded for normal use - because kitchen/dining item storage, refrigerator, pantry, 9 drawer dresser, and most of the basement storage is on the passenger side. This has never caused me any issues , but according to my TPMS the passenger side tires run a few PSI higher when warmed up during travel due to the higher loading.

With full water and full cargo Escapees Smart Weigh calculated I was about 800 pounds under on OCCC for my particular coach including my weight as the driver.

FYI, I'm not too surprised that the OCCC has dropped from 2700 to 2200 over the years, as they now have 5,500 W Onan vs. the former 4,000 W one, two ACs vs. one, they now have 50 Amp vs 30 Amp Electrical, Front power shade, Studio Loft front bed, and some styling changes like tile in bath and kitchen that added weight.
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Old 04-19-2021, 03:10 PM   #6
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PetrKuzmitch, like you I was very concerned about OCCC when we were searching for our new motorhome. I also had to search for the stickers to get good estimates of actual coaches. Our 30 ft 2003 Sunova had plenty but the newer models around that size have significantly less. It seems to be that the new models have two (or more) slides. Being the somewhat anal engineering type, I created a detailed list of everything that I wanted to carry with an estimate of weight for each item. It was somewhat of a surprise to me how quickly it adds up. For example just for our cat and her miscellaneous items the total was about 85 lbs. Our total occupants and cargo came to between 1800 to 2000 lbs with most everything we intend to carry. This included some water but no where near full tanks.

The other consideration is that exceeding your OCCC will eat into your available GCVWR and might impact your ability to tow a larger vehicle or trailer.

Edit: I just noticed that Randy in post #6 above indicated his actual cargo and occupants came to approximately 2000 lbs. Very similar to me.
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Old 04-20-2021, 11:23 AM   #7
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Thanks, this is what I expected also. 2000# is a minimum. I also gonna have 4 bikes with bike rack, and some tools and whatever else. I would set 2500# as my own minimum. Only Vista 27P fits it but after I learnt everything about Adventurer, I want Adventurer :-). I have no idea why they don't use 20500# (at least) chassis for it. Few thousand bucks but what a difference it would be!

As for towing, I plan to avoid it, at least for the first 2 years. And then may be get something like Chevy Spark which is 2300# and unload something to it but this is also very inconvenient.

I checked other manufacturers websites. Seems like the most "under 30ft" uses 18000#. Found only Newmar (which is also sort of Winnebago now) has 20500# (Bay Star Sport) and even 22000# (Bay Star).
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Old 04-20-2021, 11:50 AM   #8
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Also do some research on an RV with 4 bikes on a bike rack. 90% of bike racks are not rated for use behind a motorhome at all - and that's with two bikes.

Seems the back of a motorhome bobs and lurches quite a bit and the majority of racks are not built for that. The rear hitch of a car or truck has much less movement.

This one is RV rated and holds 4-bikes:
https://www.etrailer.com/RV-and-Camp...ks/HR4000.html
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Old 04-20-2021, 11:53 AM   #9
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...and you don't see them while driving :-). Yes, this could be a problem. Great info! Thanks, creativepart!
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