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Old 01-27-2005, 07:33 AM   #1
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It seems I may be at a bit of a crossroad. I'll try to lay this out as simply as I can.

We have a 2004 Adventurer 31Y. Love it. Bought it new about 13 months ago for just under $90k.
It now has about 13,000 miles, if that helps gauge our usage level.

Just saw a 2003 Journey 32T with 7,000 miles for just shy of $100k, at a dealer, I suppose that could still be called asking price. Pretty loaded, but not a DL (no 6 speed being the major shortcoming, I think??).

I've kind of watched the 32T as it's a rough equivelent of our shorter gasser. I won't go any bigger, no matter how much prodding I take. I'm aware of it's "poor" wheelbase to length ratio, "small" 300 HP Cummins, and so on.

So the crossroad. The smaller living room area of the 32T is a bit of an issue. But that aside, does it sound like something I should persue? I've looked at 2004 and 2005 Journeys, but not 2003's. Did the DL really offer much that you couldn't get on the base Journey? It'd be a step backwads for us model year wise, no color backup monitor, older model dash radio, little stuff. Any big stuff I'm missing?

And, no, haven't driven it yet. Almost afraid too. I may never want to drive my gasser again, if what lots of folks say is true.

Oh yeah. Hauling a 5000 pound(ish) enclosed trailer is in my near future. Did it with the Adventurer no sweat, but not as much as I might in the future. That's a plus for the Journey, and a major reason I'm even contemplating a switch.

Thanks for any input.

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Old 01-27-2005, 07:33 AM   #2
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It seems I may be at a bit of a crossroad. I'll try to lay this out as simply as I can.

We have a 2004 Adventurer 31Y. Love it. Bought it new about 13 months ago for just under $90k.
It now has about 13,000 miles, if that helps gauge our usage level.

Just saw a 2003 Journey 32T with 7,000 miles for just shy of $100k, at a dealer, I suppose that could still be called asking price. Pretty loaded, but not a DL (no 6 speed being the major shortcoming, I think??).

I've kind of watched the 32T as it's a rough equivelent of our shorter gasser. I won't go any bigger, no matter how much prodding I take. I'm aware of it's "poor" wheelbase to length ratio, "small" 300 HP Cummins, and so on.

So the crossroad. The smaller living room area of the 32T is a bit of an issue. But that aside, does it sound like something I should persue? I've looked at 2004 and 2005 Journeys, but not 2003's. Did the DL really offer much that you couldn't get on the base Journey? It'd be a step backwads for us model year wise, no color backup monitor, older model dash radio, little stuff. Any big stuff I'm missing?

And, no, haven't driven it yet. Almost afraid too. I may never want to drive my gasser again, if what lots of folks say is true.

Oh yeah. Hauling a 5000 pound(ish) enclosed trailer is in my near future. Did it with the Adventurer no sweat, but not as much as I might in the future. That's a plus for the Journey, and a major reason I'm even contemplating a switch.

Thanks for any input.

Tim.
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Old 01-27-2005, 08:17 AM   #3
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Tim,

Winnebago has specs for previous years at:

http://www.winnebagoind.com/html/pro...ousModels.html

I think the biggest problem you would have is the trailer towing. The Cummins has plenty of power, but the 2000MH only allows a GCWR of 28000. Since the GVWR of the 32T is 26850, you only have 1,150 for towing if the RV is loaded to GVWR. Don't know what the empty weight of the 32T is, but I suspect it would have to be practically empty to pick up 5000# of towing capacity.

The DL version has the same engine, but the 3000MH Allison boosts the GCWR to 36850.

Like you said, I think the 5 speed would be the major shortcoming for your application.
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Old 01-29-2005, 06:11 AM   #4
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Tom, that has to be a typo and I think it should be 36,850 lbs for the GCWR.

Note that they do have a 5000 lb rated hitch with max tongue weight of 500 lbs as well.

Look at the 32T Horizon for 2033 and you will see the error.
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I am looking at the 2003 brochure and the GCRW for the 2000 MH (5 speed) is 28,000 lbs and the GCWR for the 3000 MH transmission is 36,850 lbs. The 32T I had weighed in at about 23,500, if I remember correctly. That would leave less than 5,000 lbs available for towing. The 3000 MH on the DL model will give you much more wiggle room on towing load.
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Don,
You're right about the Horizon. It came standard with the 3000MH transmission. However, the question was about the base Journey which has a 2000MH tranny.
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It is hard to imagine a dealer ordering a Journey (and this situation existed in 2004 as well) with a 2000MH. Even the 36G came standard with the 2000MH in 2004. I can see someone buying one as their first MH, not understanding what weight limits they should check and then not being able to tow much at all without running next to empty.

Tim, unless it has a 3000MH I'd stay away. I assume you need 32 ft to get it into that parking sport at WfH? Frankly, I'd stick with the gasser.
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