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Old 01-07-2016, 11:04 PM   #1
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2013 Journey or 2011 Tour

Hello all,

We are finally about to hit the road and have an interesting choice of RVs to pick from. We are looking at either:

2011 Winnie Tour 40CD or
2013 Winnie Journey 42E

The big differences that I can see other than the floor plan is the length 40 vs 42 (the 42 being a Tag axle) and the model trim (I think the Tour is supposed to be the high end model from Winnebago, though I don't know if that means higher end interior or more complex chassis or something else?).

Both have a 400HP Cummins.

The price is about $10K - $15K more for the Journey.

Any reason that I should pick one over the other?

I'd appreciate any and all opinions when you all have time. Thanks in advance!

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Hello all,

We are finally about to hit the road and have an interesting choice of RVs to pick from. We are looking at either:

2011 Winnie Tour 40CD or
2013 Winnie Journey 42E

The big differences that I can see other than the floor plan is the length 40 vs 42 (the 42 being a Tag axle) and the model trim (I think the Tour is supposed to be the high end model from Winnebago, though I don't know if that means higher end interior or more complex chassis or something else?).

Both have a 400HP Cummins.

The price is about $10K - $15K more for the Journey.

Any reason that I should pick one over the other?

I'd appreciate any and all opinions when you all have time. Thanks in advance!

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Miles, condition, maintenance records, and floor plan
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Old 01-08-2016, 09:23 AM   #3
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Gasser -

Thanks for the reply!

Floorplans are pretty much equa (we like the Journey a bit more but not sure $15K more).

Miles are basically the same. Not sure about service records. Condition looks great on both.

I was curious if anyone is aware of a big benefit to the Tour over the Journey models, or its worth it to get 2013 vs 2011.

There is a chance that the 2011 Tour was built in 2010 and has a pre-DEF engine which would be nice but I won't know that for a few days.

Any other input would be greatly appreciated!

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Old 01-08-2016, 09:24 AM   #4
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I would definitely choose the newer, cleaner, more fuel efficient DEF engines over the older pre-DEF engine.

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Old 01-08-2016, 09:26 AM   #5
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Also do you want a tag.
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Old 01-08-2016, 02:01 PM   #6
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I'm not really sure if I want a Tag. I'm certainly not opposed to one, but I've read very good things about them as well.

I've driven a Fleetwood Revolution (non Tag) and a Winnie Tour (Tag) and actually found the Fleetwood easier to drive but I don't think it had anything to do with the Tag axle. The steering on the Revolution was much stiffer and had less "play" in the wheel so it was easier to drive.

Also I was under the impression (maybe wrongfully) that pre-DEF engines were equally as good if not better than DEF engines because they're cheaper (no need for extra DEF tank) and no loss on gas mileage.
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Old 01-08-2016, 02:24 PM   #7
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Great choices to choose from. BTW in case you don't know you can get on Bago's site under pruduct archive Winnebago Product Information | Motorhome & RV Information and look up everything you want about either coach. The Tour is a notch above the Journey so it is likely going to have some more goodies (Aqua Hot, IFS, etc). However since the Tour is only a 40' it is missing the tag as well as the 150 gal fuel tank. If it was me I might choose the Journey. The 42' Journey or 42' Tour (with FWS) was our favorite floor plan and still is. Looooove the pit group sofa with angled TV.
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Old 01-08-2016, 04:54 PM   #8
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The 2013 Journey will have Lippert slide mechanisms, which I would avoid like the plague. One of my friends spent the entire summer going back a forth to a dealer with slide problems on his 2013 Tour which also has the Lippert system.
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Old 01-08-2016, 04:55 PM   #9
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BTW! both will use DEF?
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Old 01-08-2016, 05:20 PM   #10
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The Tour will have IFS, AquaHot heating and HWH levelers. I believe that 2013 was the first year for the lippert slides (and likely levelers) that are not as robust as the PowerPoint Gear slides on earlier years. The Tour definitely has better finish than the Journey line but both are good. You will likely notice the finer details on the Tour if you can compare them side by side. Look for a better fridge, better wood work, higher level of plumbing fixtures, etc. I would go for the Tour paticularily if it had the pre-DEF 450 HP ISL engine. You might also want to post your question on the Winnebago Owners Forum to get direct input from owners of both coaches. Good luck
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Old 01-08-2016, 08:30 PM   #11
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Great feedback all - can't thank you enough!

I agree with you twojayhawks - we LOVE the floorplan of the journey with the angled TV and the L-shaped couch...just not sure it justifies the extra cost.

One other quick question for anyone who knows...

I've read stuff about Tours from certain years being overloaded before there is ever anything in them.

The 2011 Tour 40 CD lists
GVWR 34,320
GWCR 44,320

We're going to be pulling a Kia Soul which is around 2800lbs.

Is that weight difference of 10K lbs something to worry about?

Sorry if this is a total newb question...but I just want to make sure it can haul what we need without a tag.

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If your serious about the 2011 40cd, I would get it weighed with a full tank of fuel and water you and you spouse, then see how much weight you can carry after that. GVWR of 34,320 less actual weight from the scales. You may be surprised how little weight you will actually be able to carry on the 40cd, this was one of the reasons that I believe that Winnie only produced tag axle coaches in the Tour line after 2011.

We had Winnebago send us the dry weight of a 2011cd optioned out the way we wanted and if memory serves me correct we would have only been able to add an additional 1,600 lbs or so which to us with this size of coach was not near enough for our needs.
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Old 01-09-2016, 12:47 PM   #13
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Traps -

Thank you so much for posting that. Its great advice. Stuff like this is one of the reasons I love irv2 so much.

I've had a hard time tracking down this information online actually - I guess I'm just going to have to get it weighed and go from there.

I did find this for the 42qd (the Tag model):

Chassis Ratings

Roccc: 8,260 lbs (deduct weight of passengers for net cargo capacity)

If that is similar to the 40CD (which has only 10k lbs left over) then its a big issue I'm assuming?
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Look at the Chassis type, I am not sure but the 2011 may not have the Maxxim
chassis wich is on my 2013 36M. More basement room and some other things
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Old 01-09-2016, 07:01 PM   #15
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I have a 2014 journey 42e and went there from a 40e fleetwood. The tag ride is so much better than the other. The tag gives you less basement storage. Not familiar with the tour but it might have side radiator which makes service easier but also takes up storage space. If one floor plan is more to your liking, might be the deal breaker
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Clink,

Are you former DAL dept. 030?
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Old 01-10-2016, 06:39 AM   #17
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I thought about it and I must say it is a tuff call. 2 years of technology advancement is good stuff.
I agree that it much about your liking.
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Old 01-10-2016, 09:08 AM   #18
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Hi there
We have the 2013 42e Journey and LOVE it. It does have the famous Swintech Kitchen slide and ours had to be replaced 3 times before they got the bugs out of it, but other than that it has been awesome. We came from a 2005 40 foot ALFA motorhome and what a difference in handling and i think the tag axle makes a large part of the difference.
The 2013 42E is actually 23 feet 11 inches long, so it is a couple feet longer.

Hope that helps
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Old 01-11-2016, 12:47 AM   #19
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Hi there

The 2013 42E is actually 23 feet 11 inches long, so it is a couple feet longer.

Hope that helps
Must be a typo? The online 2013 Winnebago Journey brochure shows the 42E at 43' 6".
The 2011 Winnebago Tour 40CD is shown at 40' 9" -RT
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