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Old 08-26-2005, 08:43 AM   #15
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GG1:
NO NO NO, too many problems that never end, would look at Newmar or Tiffin product. Maybe they will be the same but may they will be better. Winnie has terrific floorplans and liveability but too many problems too soon </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

GG1 - when you look at the Tiffin products, check to see if they have added an Energy Management System. I seem to recall that an EMS is not available, even as an option, on either the Phaeton or the Bus. I found this strange - I think Cruzer would be a good source of info on this because (just as one would expect) he has added an EMS to his Bus. Not too many of us have the talent to do that. Well, I'll speak for myself only - I haven't got it.

We found that we would not want to be without an EMS. Sure makes using 30AMP service easier.
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Old 08-26-2005, 09:37 AM   #16
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GG1:
NO NO NO, too many problems that never end, would look at Newmar or Tiffin product. Maybe they will be the same but may they will be better. Winnie has terrific floorplans and liveability but too many problems too soon </div></BLOCKQUOTE>When I bought my Winne, My brother was service manager at an RV dealer with competing brands.

He advised me not to accept their offer of dealer cost plust $500 to order one. Or below dealer cost for one off the lot.

You won't believe some of the things that happen with some brands. My Winne is a jewel.

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Old 08-26-2005, 09:39 AM   #17
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2006 Adventurers have the triple camera backup monitor system. I'd expect to be able to get them on the diesels very soon, if not already.
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Old 08-26-2005, 10:03 AM   #18
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Well, I did have a Winny, a 2003 Suncruiser 33V/W20, but now I have a Tiffin. I guess I'll have to clarify why, now.

We did not have any serious problems with our Suncruiser and found it to be better than most other gassers out there. Winnebago does well by packaging lots of features into their product to give it added perceived value. Stuff like bedroom alarm clock, hair dryer hanging on the wall, EMS system, basement air, etc. They build a decent quality rig for a large volume manufacturer. We did have issues with it, but I can't say they were worse than other brands overall.

When we began our search for a DP, we found that the Tiffin was a better value. While Winnebago's construction wasn't bad, the Tiffin's was better - particularly in the roof. The Allegro Bus worked better for us in the floor plan, decor, and features areas. We figured we could always buy a hair dryer and alarm clock and put that in ourselves. The heavily promoted basement air turned out to be OK but it also turned out to be just another way of doing things, not necessarily better. I'd rate it equal to a good ducted roof air system (and actually, my Bus is quieter). The biggest drawback was the lack of EMS, but rather than have a dealer do it for $1,000 I just put it in myself. Of course, now that I have it, I found that I only used it once because the rest of the time we were in 50 amp hookups. Go figure.

Now that we have it, we are super pleased with it and have had unreal success with it. After the Suncruiser's maiden voyages I was a bit hesitant to take a one week old allegro Bus on a 27 day 6,000+ mile trip for it's first test but it performed flawlessly. I never got a change to test the legendary Tiffin service support.

I guess, to answer the original question, no - I wouldn't (didn't actually) buy another Winnebago. But, I have to reiterate that it's not because of it being bad or anything. It's just that the Allegro Bus really hit high marks with us. Plus, in that market segment, it offered the most bang for the buck - which is pretty much the way we felt about our Suncruiser at the time. Although today's Allegro Bay and Suncruiser are very close.
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Old 08-26-2005, 10:45 AM   #19
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Tim, did some checking and side mounted cameras are available as options on the Journey now. For some reason our dealer didn't order them. I'm wondering if they are available yet as none of the Winnie photos show them on the models in the brochure. Pity, I think they are well worth it. Now, if they can add a generator tray and a closed battery compartment.... and a few more floorplans suitable to a family of 3.....

HR put the 3 cameras on the bottom end last year (I guess to test it) and this year they are available on all models - DPs anyway. The Tour and Vectra info is incomplete on the internet so it is not apparent that they will have this option.

Cruzer, I have to echo your views. We simply found the model we bought rang our bell much more than the Winnies this time around. If our HR experience turns out lousy, well, it will be back to looking again in the future. If it turns out to be less of a headache than we've had with the Winnie, then.....Winnie will have to entice us with something pretty good next time.

Interesting that you haven't had to use your EMS much. We've used ours much more than I would like as I do prefer 50 amp of course. The park in FLA is 50 AMP, and I have 50AMP now in my pool shed, but the Winnie power cord isn't long enough so I'm using two dogbones and a 30amp extn to connect and thus it is 30 amp. I'm going to get a 50 AMP extn cord soon.

One of the other things I've noticed is that Winnie (and the other MHs) really do put out glamerous top of the line gassers that appear to be a cut above the more bottom end DPs like the Journey and the Ambassador. That always surprises me given prices. The problem however is that we are seeing very low CCC values for these units because they are getting overloaded. Given what we carry, we can't even think about going gas (and really wouldn't until they start added a braking assist (something above the grade brake). We might, however, by a C Class for pure touring in a few years after putting in a park model on the lot in Florida. Mind you, having the MH up here in hurricane season means I'm only worrying about a concrete pad blowing away.
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Old 08-26-2005, 07:29 PM   #20
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Our 05 Itasca Meridian 34H was one of the prettiest coaches around - Malibu with the Beach Grass interior - but there ends the romance. Our coach was problem ridden from day one with a broken exhaust coupler that let the pipe drop down on the big wires to the inverter. Next were persistent rattles, staples coming up through the carpet, trip falling off, batteries boiling over, an electric sofa that didn't, broken cabinet latches, roof wrinkles and on and on. While on the cross country trip - 6 months duration, I called 4 different Winne dealerships to try and get some warranty work done and was told without fail - we are really backed up and we won't have anyone that can look at it for at least 3 weeks. To be honest, when we returned home, our dealer went to work on the 24 separate warranty items we had on our list - he had the coach for 5 weeks and wasn't finished when we spotted our DSDP on the lot. Sticker price difference between the Meridian 34H and the Dutch Star 3810 was 30K and change but worth every dime of it. To date there have been two warranty problems with the DS - a loose awning over the entry door and a slide out of adjustment. Both items were taken care of as soon as we could get it to the dealer. The Itasca was an expensive mistake but worth the money to get out of it.
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Old 08-27-2005, 05:50 AM   #21
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BucknJeff addressed the significant issues; mainly QUALITY ASSURANCE!!!!!. Every time I call Winnie for tech support, etc. I ask the rep if he's ever heard of this web site. Incredibly, the answer is No.

Sales of MH's are going to plummet if oil keeps rising. Winnie and other MH mfgrs will be forced to look for ways to improve sales. They've GOT to get their head out of the sand on the quality issue.

HELLO Winnie (read DriVer), do you read this website?!!

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Old 08-28-2005, 04:18 AM   #22
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Old 08-28-2005, 06:25 AM   #23
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My mother always told me, "if you haven't anything good to say about someone, then say nothing at all." We, my wife and I, have nothing good to say about Winnebago except one thing. "The freinds we've met at the rallies".

We just got back from 8 weeks on the road, 3 of them at Winnebago. If we never go there again, it will be to soon. Stand in line waiting for service and talk to others with their stories and you'd come away with a very bad tasting of how not to treat your customers. The Circle of Excellent certainly doesn't apply here.

As one person put it, fuel prices are going to cause the RV Industry some serious problems. Maybe it's time to weed out the undesirables and bring on some new life.

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Old 08-28-2005, 06:47 PM   #24
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Radarr, I agree. If fuel keeps going and sales drop way off, those who want to put out unsatisfactory products are going to find themselves with no buyers. It may well be a wakeup call.
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Old 08-29-2005, 08:13 AM   #26
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On our third and would not buy another brand. To many friends have other brands listed here and they are nightmares. I state again less than ten percent that own Winnebago's go on line and are active in these BB. There has been some great info on this BB but it seems to turm into a few that would rather tell us how much better there new coach is.
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Old 08-29-2005, 11:38 AM   #27
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by dleslie125:
I hope Winnie will add the external satellite dish connection (don't recall seeing it on the 06) that HR has - makes an external dish much easier to use. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I was just up in Forest City and I saw a few 2006s and yes they do have a external, portable dish connection.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Thudman:
I ask the rep if he's ever heard of this web site. Incredibly, the answer is No. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>You're just talking to the wrong person the answer is in fact "YES".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">HELLO Winnie (read DriVer), do you read this website?!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I don't get it. I have over 10 thousand posts.
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