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Old 08-07-2018, 08:27 PM   #1
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Scaled the Micro Minnie...not very happy....

Finally got some time to dump the tanks and get the trailer up on a truck scale. My pin weight is 840lbs and I have about 400lbs remaining on the rear axle. Not very happy there. Trailer had empty gray/black, but full fresh water. Iíve got two 6volt batteries and two propane tanks in the front. I added a bike rack at the dealer and the front compartment had your normal trailer gear plus a small camping BBQ. Basically loaded out for a weekend, minus clothes.

I removed all the gear from the front compartment and the bike rack and only cut 120lbs out, so Iím still very heavy up front. I could yank one of the propane tanks, but thatís still not a lot of weight. What really sucks is Iíve already got about 800lbs on my truck, so with the trailer Iím right at the GVWR.

Anyone else have this problem or suggestions? I really canít move anything else, so just live with it?
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Old 08-08-2018, 06:14 AM   #2
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Scaled the Micro Minnie...not very happy....

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Finally got some time to dump the tanks and get the trailer up on a truck scale. My pin weight is 840lbs and I have about 400lbs remaining on the rear axle. Not very happy there. Trailer had empty gray/black, but full fresh water. Iíve got two 6volt batteries and two propane tanks in the front. I added a bike rack at the dealer and the front compartment had your normal trailer gear plus a small camping BBQ. Basically loaded out for a weekend, minus clothes.

I removed all the gear from the front compartment and the bike rack and only cut 120lbs out, so Iím still very heavy up front. I could yank one of the propane tanks, but thatís still not a lot of weight. What really sucks is Iíve already got about 800lbs on my truck, so with the trailer Iím right at the GVWR.

Anyone else have this problem or suggestions? I really canít move anything else, so just live with it?
You dont say what truck you have, all the specs of the truck will be important to any discussion of your issue. Specs on your 1700 BH say dry weight is 3000 lbs and indicating carrying capacity of 800. Water weihs 8.34 lbs per gal, if you are carrying a full fresh water that is 258 lbs.
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Old 08-08-2018, 06:29 AM   #3
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Either I’m not understanding or something is really off there.
Are you saying your hitch weight is 840 lbs on a max 3800 lb trailer? What was the actual trailer weight?
What does the 800 lbs already on your truck include?
And yes, what truck and tow/payload etc specs do you have?
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Old 08-08-2018, 07:44 AM   #4
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Were you weighing the 1700BH in your signature line? It seems not based on your post. Can you tell us what you were weighing?

The 1700BH with nothing in the tanks and no cargo weights according to Winnebago are:

3,010 lbs total weight
380 lbs hitch weight

Water heater and the fresh tank full of water this would add 37 gal which would weigh 308 pounds, which would be distributed between the hitch and the axle.
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Old 08-08-2018, 06:04 PM   #5
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Sorry, let me try again. Looking at my notes (instead of going from memory)...

I scaled the MM in my signature. With full water and limited gear, the weights were:
- Axle: 3,179 (3,500 max)
- Tongue: 820 (21% of total weight)

The GVWR of the trailer is 3,800, so Iím basically 200lbs over and are tongue heavy. Iím really shocked (and disappointed) how front heavy this trailer is. As I mentioned above, removing all my gear from the forward storage and the bike rack cuts 120lbs out, but Iím still slightly over the GVWR and heavier than the recommended 15% max tongue weight. All thatís left in the trailer are four sleeping bags, three roles of TP and prob 10lbs of misc ďkitchenĒ gear. I donít even have any beer in the fridge!

The factory sticker said I have 760lbs of weight capacity from the factory, minus 308lbs for water. So somehow my 452lbs of remaining capacity disappeared and is hidden forward of the axle. Thatís the foundation for my surprise (and this post). Not sure how two propane tanks, two batteries, four sleeping bags, four mugs and a few mountain house meals eats that up.

My TV is a Ď16 F-150 that Iíve got a canopy on, a load of gear in the truck box and a few other accessories that have added the weight. Iím not worried about the truck...just would like to get the trailer balanced out better. If I could get 200lbs moved back to the axle, life would be good.
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Old 08-08-2018, 06:49 PM   #6
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If the build label on your Micro Minnie is that much less than your empty weights I think you have a mis-represented product issue and I would contact Winnebago directly and discuss.

The build label may have higher empty weights and less capacity than the spec on your base model depending on what options were equipped.

You should contact Winnebago Customer Service - you may even have legal rights to recover damages or return the TT for refund if the TT you bought does not have the proper weights and capacity Winnebago marketed it to be.

Good luck.
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Old 08-08-2018, 06:59 PM   #7
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820 pounds of tongue weight? What method did you use at the scale to determine this? Sounds incredibly high.
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Old 08-08-2018, 10:49 PM   #8
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820 pounds of tongue weight? What method did you use at the scale to determine this? Sounds incredibly high.
State certified truck scale. Got up there last Friday night about 8pm and just went ahead and unhooked the trailer right there. The 820lbs is the before and after difference on the rear axle (with me in the driver seat) of my truck.
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Old 08-09-2018, 07:06 AM   #9
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> 820lbs is the before and after difference on the rear axle (with me in the driver seat) of my truck.

Sorry , that's not a valid way to measure tongue weight. As has been pointed out by several of us, 820 is not technically possible for your particular model of TT, even with the water tank full.
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Old 08-10-2018, 04:58 AM   #10
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Did you notice the truck scales have sections?
You need to pull onto the scales with the tongue jack on one section, the trailer axels over another. Unhitch and pull forward to put your F150 axels on two more sections, then tell them to print out. The print out will give you the weights on each section correctly.

Knowing these 4 weights can help you set up your WDH if you use one.

I'll use random weights for explanation. Say both front and rear axels of your F150 weigh 1500# and your trailer tongue weight is 600#, divide the tongue 600 by 2 = 300, add this amount to each truck axel weight = 1800#. Hook up to the trailer and adjust the hitch to give you 1800# on each truck axel and your hitch would be perfectly adjusted.
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:41 AM   #11
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I looked at some axle weights Iíve recorded in the past for my truck. I probably have about 150lbs shifted from my front axle to my rear axle. So that would read incorrectly on my scale method and not be tongue weight.

The truck scale I hit was a single axle scale, so I couldnít do all four at once. I should have just scaled the front jack on the trailer. Iím going to do another round at a different scale in a few weeks when I have more time. I also have a set of airbags on my work bench that Iím going to install. I know that wonít give me more capacity, but I have a pretty big sag on the truck, so going back to level should help return the weight to the front axle.

Stay tuned...
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:59 AM   #12
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Will be interesting to see what you find out. This is a good thread. Made me order a tongue weight scale. My Winnie Drop 1790 has the kitchen in the rear so that’s where most of the gear weight is. Between the capacity of my Ford F-150 3,5 ecoboost, the 3.55 reservists end and extra transmission cooler I have almost 3,500 pounds of cushion before I approach any maximums but now I am curious to see if I have 400 pounds adequate tongue weight.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:53 PM   #13
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are you using a weight distribution hitch or just the ball. the WD hitch will get rid of your sag
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Air bags won't shift any weight from the rear axle to the front axle and trailer axles. The only way to do that is with a WDH.



It take 3 passes on a multiple platform scale to determine weights and see if your WDH setup is correctly. You need one scale run with the trailer attached and WDH engaged with each truck axle and the trailer axles on their own scale platform. You will need a second with the WDH disengaged and bars inside the truck bed. Again truck and trailer axles on their own platform. The last is with the truck by itself with each axle on its own platform. With these the actual weights can be determined and you can see if the WDH is adjusted correctly.



Here is a link to ways to determine tongue weight using a bathroom scale or single platform scale.

https://www.etrailer.com/faq-how-to-...ue-weight.aspx
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