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12-21-2018, 03:16 PM
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Winnie-Wise
Join Date: Nov 2018
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Yikes!!! Ford V-10 Going Away?
I have read that in 2020 the V-10 is going to be replaced. One of the VERY best engines Ford has ever made. Hard to believe
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12-21-2018, 04:13 PM
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Winnebago Owner
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Originally Posted by Ret.LEO
I have read that in 2020 the V-10 is going to be replaced. One of the VERY best engines Ford has ever made. Hard to believe
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Yep ... RV shoppers better snap up one of those high-spirited high-revving smooth as silk work horses while they still can!
What we're probably going to be stuck with is the scariest part - anemic little turbo diesel thumpers, anemic little turbo V4/V6 gas whiners, and Heaven Forbid ... whirring electrics with their battery sucking Ludicrous Mode dash switch.
Ugggh and double ugggh!
(But probably full-timers would love to recharge their electric RVs with solar panels.)
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12-21-2018, 04:22 PM
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Winnie-Wise
Join Date: Nov 2018
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Supposedly it's going to be a 7.3Liter V-8
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12-21-2018, 04:29 PM
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2014 Journey 36M
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Quite a bit of stuff on the internet about upcoming 7 or 7.3L V8 being developed to replace the 6.8L V10 in trucks in 2020, so guessing that would include the Ford RV chassis. Some indicated it would be a pushrod engine to cut down on bulk, weight, and complexity. Seems there was a post on one of these forums related to it also but danged if I can find it.
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12-21-2018, 06:48 PM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Martinsville, IN
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I heard it will be the 7.0L engine on the same engine base as the current 6.2L available on F-250's today. Heard this a year ago. Rumor was it would be 2019. This was to replace the V-10.
But, it sounds like it will be the 7.3L.
https://www.tfltruck.com/2018/09/rum...rd-super-duty/
I had a 2017 F-250 for a year and loved the 6.2L engine. I'm guessing the 7.0L will be outstanding especially in a 10-speed form.
However, I rented a F-150 2 weeks ago, 5.0L with a 10-speed and it was a dog. I would have been real dissappointed if I spent $50,000 on that truck.
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12-21-2018, 07:00 PM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Martinsville, IN
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I wonder what kind of gas mileage a 7.3L would get. With the 6.2L I averaged 13mpg, and on highway best I could get was 16-17mpg. I had a 6 speed and would guess the 10-speed would get better mpg. But I wonder what the 7.3L would end up.
the 6.2L sounded awesome too by the way. Loved that motor.
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12-22-2018, 01:57 AM
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Winnie-Wise
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Then the question is do you really want to buy one the 1st or 2nd year that they're made? Unproven engine in a expensive Coach is bit of a gamble. I have read that it will have more horse, more torque, better MPG's. Time will tell. I like the proven reliability of the V10............for now
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12-22-2018, 01:21 PM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Other California
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ret.LEO
Then the question is do you really want to buy one the 1st or 2nd year that they're made? Unproven engine in a expensive Coach is bit of a gamble. I have read that it will have more horse, more torque, better MPG's. Time will tell. I like the proven reliability of the V10............for now
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A very good question and point!
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12-22-2018, 03:36 PM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Manhattan, Kansas USA
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Given that the stock V10 max torque is 265 ft lbs and max HP is only 260 HP I wonder if Ford might base the new design on existing production designs? Why not use a up-engineered version of the 3.5 L EcoBoost mated with a up-engineered version of the 10R80 10 speed automatic transmission?
Ford has versions of the EcoBoost drive train being used in vehicles today that well exceed the output of the V10 in the F53. The version used in the Lincoln Navigator SUV does 380 hp (283 kW) @5250 rpm, 460 lb⋅ft (624 N⋅m) @2750 rpm, and is mated to the 10R80 10 speed automatic transmission. The Navigator drive train in production already supports a GCWR of over 14,000 lbs.
Yes it would have to be up-engineered for F53 or F58 applications. With less engine weight in front, there might also have to be some other chassis re-engineering to compensate for less weight over the front wheels.
Hopefully when they re-engineer F53 they will also design in suspension improvements, like making a rear track bar standard.
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12-22-2018, 05:38 PM
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Winnebago Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by powercat_ras
Given that the stock V10 max torque is 265 ft lbs and max HP is only 260 HP I wonder if Ford might base the new design on existing production designs? Why not use a up-engineered version of the 3.5 L EcoBoost mated with a up-engineered version of the 10R80 10 speed automatic transmission?
Ford has versions of the EcoBoost drive train being used in vehicles today that well exceed the output of the V10 in the F53. The version used in the Lincoln Navigator SUV does 380 hp (283 kW) @5250 rpm, 460 lb⋅ft (624 N⋅m) @2750 rpm, and is mated to the 10R80 10 speed automatic transmission. The Navigator drive train in production already supports a GCWR of over 14,000 lbs.
Yes it would have to be up-engineered for F53 or F58 applications. With less engine weight in front, there might also have to be some other chassis re-engineering to compensate for less weight over the front wheels.
Hopefully when they re-engineer F53 they will also design in suspension improvements, like making a rear track bar standard.
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Well .... I'm not sure your V10 data is correct.
My 2005 Itasca Class C's 2-valve V10 version is spec'd at 305 horsepower and 420 ft-lbs. of crankshaft torque. The 3-valve version used in Ford applications other than their E-Series vans is rated at even more horsepower and torque.
A great engine but maybe outside the common truck expectations of a thumping diesel or rumbling V8. The V10 is a very smooth higher RPM engine out of character in the truck world. I prefer it over years of owning good old Dodge/GMC/Ford V8s.
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12-22-2018, 06:11 PM
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Winnebago Owner
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Very happy with my stock 2018 V10 in my 29VE Vista with 360+ HP... don't know where the other figures are coming from..Matched to the new transmission and torque curve it just eats up the miles! Ford have got it right this time and now there is talk of replacing it!! Double Darn....say it isn't so....
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12-22-2018, 07:47 PM
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Winnebago Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reniram
Very happy with my stock 2018 V10 in my 29VE Vista with 360+ HP... don't know where the other figures are coming from..Matched to the new transmission and torque curve it just eats up the miles! Ford have got it right this time and now there is talk of replacing it!! Double Darn....say it isn't so....
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Your 2018 29VE is a Class A motorhome, and hence not based on a Ford E-Series E350 or E450 chassis like some of their Class C motorhomes are. Your V10 is the 3-valve version, which has larger heads and so won't fit in an E350 or E450 van's engine doghouse well, or at all ... but the 3-valve version will fit in the larger engine compartment area of a Class A.
So ... Ford uses the 2-valve (smaller heads) V10 version for it's van chassis because it fits. The modern 2-valve version of their V10 is rated at 305 horsepower and 420 ft-lbs. of crankshaft torque.
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12-23-2018, 09:40 AM
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Winnebago Owner
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Location: Bettendorf Iowa
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I guess I just figured that all the Ford v10 motors were the same...I did a little research and found there are multiple specs for this engine.. Ballpark figures were 310 to 362 Horsepower and 425 to 457 Torque!..I suppose all depending on the 2 or 3 valve heads and maybe a little manifold work..Is it just the E series that has the smaller motor?. I was reading the F series Truck has the 3 valve??.. It seems weird that Ford would still be dabbling with 2 valve heads on virtually the same engine,but if it don't fit it just don't fit.... I am sorry for the confusion..I am not a motorhead..
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12-23-2018, 04:10 PM
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Winnebago Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reniram
I guess I just figured that all the Ford v10 motors were the same...I did a little research and found there are multiple specs for this engine.. Ballpark figures were 310 to 362 Horsepower and 425 to 457 Torque!..I suppose all depending on the 2 or 3 valve heads and maybe a little manifold work..Is it just the E series that has the smaller motor?. I was reading the F series Truck has the 3 valve??.. It seems weird that Ford would still be dabbling with 2 valve heads on virtually the same engine,but if it don't fit it just don't fit.... I am sorry for the confusion..I am not a motorhead..
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Below is what I clipped from this site: https://goneoutdoors.com/ford-v10-sp...s-7376944.html
"Torque and Power Ratings
Ford V10 engines have varying power and torque ratings. The two-valve versions have two outputs; engines for the E-series vehicles produce 305 HP and 420 foot pounds of torque. The F-series, Super Duty and Excursion engines produce 310 horsepower and 425 foot pounds of torque. Three-valve engines introduced in 2005 replaced the two-valve versions in all F-series and Super Duty trucks. These engines produce 362 horsepower and 457 foot pounds of torque."
My 2005 E450 Class C motorhome's two-valve V10 has 305 HP and 420 foot pounds of torque. It's still not clear whether E-series vans in model years newer than mine had 305/420 two-valve V10s, or 310/425 two-valve V10s.
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12-30-2018, 05:21 PM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Placerville CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ret.LEO
Then the question is do you really want to buy one the 1st or 2nd year that they're made? Unproven engine in a expensive Coach is bit of a gamble. I have read that it will have more horse, more torque, better MPG's. Time will tell. I like the proven reliability of the V10............for now
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Right, remember the first V-10's? They had 3 to 4 threads holding in the spark plugs in an aluminum cylinder head. Nice!
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12-30-2018, 05:27 PM
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Winnebago Owner
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I would love to see a front engine diesel based on the power stroke in the F350. I’m oversimplifying it for sure, but if ford gave both a gas and diesel option for the F53 it would be a great selling point and allow coach manufacturers to offer either as an option. There’s obviously some engineering involved but I think it would be a huge benefit for all if it could be done.
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12-30-2018, 05:34 PM
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Winnebago Owner
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Originally Posted by jpspaz
I would love to see a front engine diesel based on the power stroke in the F350. I’m oversimplifying it for sure, but if ford gave both a gas and diesel option for the F53 it would be a great selling point and allow coach manufacturers to offer either as an option. There’s obviously some engineering involved but I think it would be a huge benefit for all if it could be done.
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Keep in mind that the cab has to be removed on the F series power strokes to allow access to the engine for repairs. Wonder how that is going to work on an RV
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12-30-2018, 06:31 PM
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Winnebago Owner
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I don’t know but some manufacturers are putting them in class Cs so they must have figured a work around.
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12-31-2018, 10:36 AM
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Winnebago Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jpspaz
I don’t know but some manufacturers are putting them in class Cs so they must have figured a work around.
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The motorhome in that photo looks like a what they call a "Super C". Those are built on the Class 5 truck chassis - which do have the room for a big and heavy diesel engine.
With a "regular Class C" that's built on a Ford or Chevy original style delivery van chassis (Chevy 3500/4500 or Ford E350/E450), there are fit problems - and maybe cooling problems - with putting a diesel into their stub-nosed engine areas.
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12-31-2018, 11:42 AM
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Winnebago Owner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil G.
The motorhome in that photo looks like a what they call a "Super C". Those are built on the Class 5 truck chassis - which do have the room for a big and heavy diesel engine.
With a "regular Class C" that's built on a Ford or Chevy original style delivery van chassis (Chevy 3500/4500 or Ford E350/E450), there are fit problems - and maybe cooling problems - with putting a diesel into their stub-nosed engine areas.
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God help you if the cab has to come of that "Super C". May be when the engine need service it can be dropped out the bottom
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