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Old 01-06-2019, 07:44 AM   #15
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Ditto AKEagles' post. Going one farther and summing up...

Be situationally aware. Don't overdrive the situation or the capabilities of the RV. Plan for eventualities. Carry enough resources to weather a storm or eventuality. And, be "brave" enough to PARK IT! when conditions are unfavorable.
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Old 01-06-2019, 11:15 AM   #16
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Thank you so much for your time in explaining the Suo Springs & Koni Shocks. It's greatly appreciated since we are coming from pulling a 23 foot trailer (lightweight) with a Dodge cummins 6 speed truck so this is a whole new ballgame. It's great to get all this information and figure out the best way to go for a safe and enjoyable ride.
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Thank you for the offer, I will get in touch with you the first or second week of Feb. to let you know our plans. Currently, we have ordered a canopy to installed to cover the trailer (the View is under cover) and they said it might be about 10 weeks out before they can install which would be about the time we want to leave for AZ.

I love this forum so much information

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Old 01-06-2019, 06:14 PM   #18
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Ditto AKEagles' post. Going one farther and summing up...

Be situationally aware. Don't overdrive the situation or the capabilities of the RV. Plan for eventualities. Carry enough resources to weather a storm or eventuality. And, be "brave" enough to PARK IT! when conditions are unfavorable.
To illustrate Crow's last sentence, in the aviation world there is a syndrome called "get-home-it is". That's where despite all obvious indications - usually but not always weather related - that would dictate a safer course of action, the lure of wanting to reach the intended destination sometimes overrides training and common sense to the point that a no-win situation is the result. Example: flying into a cloud deck thinking it will just be momentary and you'll pop out on the other side, when it reality you find you're in a solid overcast that extends to the ground and you can't see more than a few hundred feet in any direction - and you're heading into a mountainous area. The upshot is that if fatigue, inclement weather, or other issues become a concern, don't hesitate to stop so you can SAFETY take stock of the situation and carefully plan accordingly.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:48 PM   #19
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I really appreciate all the input on this forum. Back to the discussion on snow chains for the VIEW 24G (2015) Mercedes-Benz Sprinter chassis.p

My son suggested Spikes-Spiders....they use them in Europe, they are pricey if ordered from Europe but more reasonable in the States. I've talked to one person that has used them on their PT Cruiser (yes I know you can't compare that to our RV. Has anyone every used them on their RV. We will need to carry chains in order to go over the pass to comply with the State Patrol, but probably would opt to either wait until roads clear or turn around and go home.
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Old 01-07-2019, 07:50 PM   #20
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To illustrate Crow's last sentence, in the aviation world there is a syndrome called "get-home-it is". That's where despite all obvious indications - usually but not always weather related - that would dictate a safer course of action, the lure of wanting to reach the intended destination sometimes overrides training and common sense to the point that a no-win situation is the result. Example: flying into a cloud deck thinking it will just be momentary and you'll pop out on the other side, when it reality you find you're in a solid overcast that extends to the ground and you can't see more than a few hundred feet in any direction - and you're heading into a mountainous area. The upshot is that if fatigue, inclement weather, or other issues become a concern, don't hesitate to stop so you can SAFETY take stock of the situation and carefully plan accordingly.

So agree with you, we figure best to either regroup and turn around than proceed....
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Old 01-08-2019, 12:43 PM   #21
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To illustrate Crow's last sentence, in the aviation world there is a syndrome called "get-home-it is". That's where despite all obvious indications - usually but not always weather related - that would dictate a safer course of action, the lure of wanting to reach the intended destination sometimes overrides training and common sense to the point that a no-win situation is the result. Example: flying into a cloud deck thinking it will just be momentary and you'll pop out on the other side, when it reality you find you're in a solid overcast that extends to the ground and you can't see more than a few hundred feet in any direction - and you're heading into a mountainous area. The upshot is that if fatigue, inclement weather, or other issues become a concern, don't hesitate to stop so you can SAFETY take stock of the situation and carefully plan accordingly.

Exactly...... 'get there-itis'..... !!!!!! Or, plan continuation bias. This article expalins PCB and it's complexities.



https://generalaviationnews.com/2013...et-there-itis/


And the corollary taught by my instructor: Sure, you can get there, can you get back??????


Well, it's off the topic of tire chains but relevant I think. Having tire chains and venturing into time and places where they may be required puts another card on the table. Having the chains... just their presence in the RV... is going to play into your planning and eventual choice to use them, when you probably should not be in the situation.



Frankly, I'll take cautious, risks. If I had to get to an emergency situation with a vehicle (not an RV) they might be a good idea. OTH, I've often referred to Calypso, our Class C RV as handling like an baby elephant in a tutu and ballet slippers. It's the nature of a high center of gravity rolling barn perched on soft ball size contacts with the highway. Even in the best of conditions, she wobbles, bobbles, wonders and toe dances down the road. (Que up "Baby Elephant Walk"), You are always on the bubble. Knowingly putting one on an icy road in winter conditions would be swapping the ballet flats for ice skates. You are asking for a pratt fall -- 4.5 -5 tons sliding down the road is not a fun ride.
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Well put and so true. We know that if we decide to go south the end of Feb. and if we see road conditions not favorable we'll turn around, not worth the risk as you so well said.
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I've often referred to Calypso, our Class C RV as handling like an baby elephant in a tutu and ballet slippers. It's the nature of a high center of gravity rolling barn perched on soft ball size contacts with the highway. Even in the best of conditions, she wobbles, bobbles, wonders and toe dances down the road. (Que up "Baby Elephant Walk"), You are always on the bubble. Knowingly putting one on an icy road in winter conditions would be swapping the ballet flats for ice skates. You are asking for a pratt fall -- 4.5 -5 tons sliding down the road is not a fun ride. [/SIZE]
Outstanding analogy!!!! I'm a retired air traffic controller and somehow this reminded of me of a saying I heard many years ago that equally applies to pilots and other professions: "A superior controller is one who works so as to avoid situations that would require the use of those superior skills to alleviate".
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We carried cable chains in our 68 21' Travco and 31' 88 Suncruiser. And, we used them a lot when traveling to and from ski areas in the Sierra in California.



With the Travco, I just ran the inside dual up on a 2x6 block to get the outside tire off the road to ease the installation. That didn't work on the Suncruiser, the inner tire would just compress. So I used the 3 ton floor jack I carried in case of a flat to jack up both wheels.



That was pretty exciting in the slush and falling snow along CA 168 on the way to what is now (and again) China Peak. Back then it was Sierra Summit.



I told a friend whose daughter and SIL were planning a trip to the snow that they should practice installing chains in the street or driveway at home first. And, to make it realistic, she should spray him with a garden hose while he's doing it.
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Go to Les Schwab and get a set of chains and they bye them back if not used in the spring. Or get a pair on crags list for the size needed. Then don't use them. Sit still until weather clears. I leave tomorrow and first stop is Sever Feather RV park, very nice, and if you luck at the Casino you night is free. Shuttle to Casino and reasonable food, has a truck stop for fuel. Then pull out 9ish checking the weather and Rolling Hills Casino is next and your out of the snow zone.

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Good morning, WOW so much information. First, we were looking for any recommendations for winter chains (as required to carry over passes), then went into sway bars.

We live north of Seattle and will hopefully be headed to Arizona in February and are concerned with going over the few passes south and will have to keep a good eye on road conditions as we travel south.


Does putting the air bag suspension void the warranty like the Sumo Springs or Kon Shocks?
If you can get over the passes between storms you won't be required to have them. Go to Les Schwab. Buy the chains and return them in the spring. You will get full value for them if you didn't use them. I did this with my car.
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