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Old 03-13-2019, 05:49 PM   #1
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F-350 vs F-450

Thinking of upgrading to a Minnie Winnie 22M. Other than GVW, what would be the advantages of purchasing one on an F-450 vs. the F-350. Most of the ones I have seen are on the F-350 chassis. Also should I wait for the new 7.3 V-8 to come out.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:07 AM   #2
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Just like in Ford pickups, the F-350 chassis has a lower weight/cargo capacity than a F-450 chassis. The F-350 will be used on shorter class C coaches, the F-450 on the larger models.

The new 7.3 V-8 will likely end up in a new version of the F-53 motorhome chassis. Ford will probably change the van chassis sometime after they launch the bigger motorhome chassis. Given how things are changing, the big V-8 may never be used on anything but larger trucks and motorhomes.
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Old 03-14-2019, 11:39 PM   #3
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We ordered the heavier E-450 tonnage on our Minnie Winnie 22M to assure we have ample payload to spare when towing. The only differences between an E-350 and a E-450 are about 250 pounds of additional frame thickness and springs, stiffer shocks, a wider rear track (75.4" to 77.7"), and the ring gear is increased from 10Ĺ" to 10ĺ" diameter. The gear ratio remains the same, at 4.56:1. The 305 hp V-10 is a great engine, and the double-overdrive 6-speed automatic keeps the engine at about 2,100 rpm at 60 mph; just perfect!
If you decide to wait for the new V8 and 10-speed, keep in mind that it probably will be more expensive, as Ford will have less incentive to offer a discount on the Motorhome Prep Package. Pragmatically, the existing drivetrain is just fine. The advantages of waiting until 2020 will include a little more power, finer gear divisions, and a smaller dog-house around the engine (the new V-8 will be smaller on the outside that the current V-10).
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I would be cautious about buying any 1st or 2nd year of production new engine. The V-10 had problems early with spitting spark plugs. I would hold off until Ford gets any bugs worked out instead of the customer.
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Old 03-20-2019, 05:02 PM   #5
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just bought a 22m. The 350 for us has plenty of power, probably more than the stock suspension can handle at speed. We did suspension upgrades and find that the v10 is more than adequate. We haven't tried towing so can't reply in that regard. But the 350 definitely moves out. It was the final decision to go C class rathe than B+, really like the power.
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Raxel7851, job one for the 2020 F53 (motorhome chassis) with 7.3l gas engine and 10 speed transmission is 12/16/19. The update E series with the same engine and transmission is shown as a 2021 model with a job one date probably mid to late 2020.
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:57 PM   #7
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Our 2016 27Q has the E450 under it and I really like the power to weight performance. The E350/22M combo may be adequate, but as Eagle 5 says the E450 is a little more robust.
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I would be cautious about buying any 1st or 2nd year of production new engine. The V-10 had problems early with spitting spark plugs. I would hold off until Ford gets any bugs worked out instead of the customer.
You are correct, buying the first year is asking for trouble.
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It's supposed to be a great engine. Happy medium between the diesel and current V-10 Supposed to have increased horse, torque, fuel mileage. Price is estimated to be around a $3-4K option.
I think there will be a bunch of two-three year old F-250's hit the market for pick-up buyers. I've read that they will be put in the E-450 platform for the 2021 model year.
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The biggest advantages of the Ford E-450 vs the E-350 are, vastly improved CCC and towing capacity.

The E-350 offers about 1400 - 1500 lbs of CCC with 5,000 lb towing capacity.
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The E-450 offers in excess of 4000 lbs of CCC with 7500 lb towing capacity.
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Minnie Winnie 25B is top of my want list, and the only way to get the 1-piece
Molded Fiberglass Cap and spare tire (high priorities for me) are to go with the E-450 chassis.

That 4000+ lbs of CCC is ridiculously high, but if you're towing and loading a lot of extra gear besides, I guess its worth it.

Must keep in mind the Water (fresh and water heater) consume about 380 lbs of that CCC. Assume driving sometimes with holding tanks 1/3 to 1/2 full and that's another 150-200 lbs. So 500 - 600 lbs of the CCC is in water alone. Add in 2 adults and not a whole lot of extra left over, with the E-350 CCC.
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The biggest advantages of the Ford E-450 vs the E-350 are, vastly improved CCC and towing capacity.

The E-350 offers about 1400 - 1500 lbs of CCC with 5,000 lb towing capacity.
(1st Image)

The E-450 offers in excess of 4000 lbs of CCC with 7500 lb towing capacity.
(2nd Image)

Minnie Winnie 25B is top of my want list, and the only way to get the 1-piece
Molded Fiberglass Cap and spare tire (high priorities for me) are to go with the E-450 chassis.

That 4000+ lbs of CCC is ridiculously high, but if you're towing and loading a lot of extra gear besides, I guess its worth it.

Must keep in mind the Water (fresh and water heater) consume about 380 lbs of that CCC. Assume driving sometimes with holding tanks 1/3 to 1/2 full and that's another 150-200 lbs. So 500 - 600 lbs of the CCC is in water alone. Add in 2 adults and not a whole lot of extra left over, with the E-350 CCC.
I drove a 22M E350 and decided to order an E450 because I had one before on a 31' class C Fleetwood Tioga. I'm glad I did. The difference in the supsension when walking around inside when parked is much better on the E450 than the E350 when you compare them side by side. Additonally, the side-side rocking is a lot better when going over little rough spots or like in a water channel between the pavement and a gas station. Also, I tow a Jeep that weighs about 4800 lbs and the E450 handles it quite well on the hills on the freeway.
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... additionally, when you factory-order the E450, you can delete the stabilizing jacks, as they are much less needed. Your net additional cost is something like $2K.
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Nothing against the E350. Bought a used MH on the E450 in'12 and then new MH on the E450 in '16. Plenty of power to tow a Honda CRV and carry a full load on a 33' MW. Other than oil changes, no maintenance during the first 3 years. Handles great in all conditions, except mountains, not a big fan of mountain climbing with a gas MH. Mostly flat lander so happy.
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I'm not sure how the E-series stacks up against the F-series, but an F-450 has a somewhat tighter turning radius (due to something with the front axle, I believe you can cut the wheels more) compared to the F-350.
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