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08-03-2012, 11:05 AM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Aguanga, California
Posts: 38
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2012 Itasca Ellipse 42QD Surge Guard Plus
Have had our 2012 Ellipse 42QD now for 5 weeks and have taken 3 trips still learning all the systems. I was looking at installing a surge guard to protect the electrical system. In the specifications under electrical it states:
Shoreline/generator automatic changeover switch w/Surge Guard Plus
So I'm thinking it already has the surge guard, is my thinking correct? I hate to assume.....
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John & Jill
2012 Itasca Ellipse 42QD
Cassy & Max
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08-03-2012, 11:49 AM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: On the Road Westward
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If it is the same model as mine, 41260, yes. It is made by the same company that makes the surgeguard, TRC. In fact, the specs on surge protection are better than the 50 Amp surgeguard I have hardwired in. It does not provide over/under voltage protection as my surgeguard unit does.
They have an upscale model, 40250-RVC, which does have over/under voltage in addition to hi/lo frequence protection, not sure if Winny put them in the higher end units.
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08-03-2012, 02:45 PM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Aguanga, California
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Thanks Dan, I'll have to check my model number, hopefully it does protect from over/under voltage.
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John & Jill
2012 Itasca Ellipse 42QD
Cassy & Max
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08-03-2012, 03:45 PM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Nashua, NH
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According to this Surge Guard brochure the Surge Guard® Plus Automatic Transfer Switch (Model 40250 & Model 41290) does provide high and low voltage protection, but the Surge Guard® Automatic Transfer Switch (Model 41260) does not.
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Chris Beierl
2005 Winnebago Vectra 36RD
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08-04-2012, 02:35 PM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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Hello John,
What did you find out? which unit do you have in your coach?
I am in the process of buying the 2013 version of your coach and just curious.
Les
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08-04-2012, 02:39 PM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Litchfield Park, Arizona
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Kudos to Winnie if they are now installing surge protectors in their upper end units. It's about time.
Rick
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2007 Itasca Ellipse 40FD
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08-06-2012, 06:32 AM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Aguanga, California
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Haven't check what model # I have yet. Coach is at dealer for some small items to fix and probably won't get the coach back for a week. I will check then and let you know.
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John & Jill
2012 Itasca Ellipse 42QD
Cassy & Max
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08-06-2012, 07:24 AM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RickO
Kudos to Winnie if they are now installing surge protectors in their upper end units. It's about time.
Rick
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UM...IMHO, this should be on all RVs or at least a reasonably priced option. Doesn't matter that the rig is high or low end...they all can suffer from the potential problems caused by bad CG power or good CG power gone bad for other reasons.
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08-06-2012, 07:30 AM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Jan 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by athuddriver
UM...IMHO, this should be on all RVs or at least a reasonably priced option. Doesn't matter that the rig is high or low end...they all can suffer from the potential problems caused by bad CG power or good CG power gone bad for other reasons.
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No argument here, but putting them on at least SOME of their products is a start.
I could never understand how they expect their customers to fork over big bucks for a new RV and then have to tell them, "but NEVER plug into shore power unless you buy this add on surge protector... and NEVER connect to city water until you buy this add on pressure regulator".
Rick
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08-06-2012, 07:42 AM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Massachusetts
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RickO
Kudos to Winnie if they are now installing surge protectors in their upper end units. It's about time.
Rick
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Considering their relatively low cost, they should include them or at least offer them as an option on all their RV's. Winnebago is a big company that sells a lot of RV's across their different lines so I'm sure the could get a volume discount.
Todd
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08-31-2012, 12:34 PM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Aguanga, California
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The surge guard that is installed in my 42QD is built in to the transfer switch. Transfer switch Model #41260. Not sure if this has over/under voltage or not but it automatically switches to generator if if sees issues. Below is from TRC's surge guard website.
The Surge Guard line of automatic transfer switches ensures continuous power to your coach by monitoring shore power and automatically switching to generator power when it detects electrical issues that could impact performance of equipment in your motorhome. The 41260 provides basic surge protection of 2600 joules at 76,400 Amps. Additional features include:
- Protects RV bumper to bumper from faulty park power.
- Provides the following protection:
- Open neutral
- Reverse polarity
- Time Delay at Power Up (Shore 3-4 Sec., Generator 30 Sec.)
- Multi-mode Surge Suppression
- Mechanical interlocking contactors.
- UL Approved ATS - full transfer switch rating, UL1008..
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John & Jill
2012 Itasca Ellipse 42QD
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08-31-2012, 09:44 PM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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thanks for the info. It is really nice to know that we have this already installed.
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08-31-2012, 10:24 PM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Nashua, NH
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Per the SurgeGuard brochure referenced in post #4 (above) the 41260 does NOT provide high/low voltage protection.
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Chris Beierl
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08-31-2012, 10:32 PM
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Winnebago Owner
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Gilbert, AZ
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How important is this and should I buy a surge protector that does support over/under voltage?
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2013 Itasca Ellipse 42QD
2012 Ram 1500 Laramie Hemi 4x4 w/RZR-S (TOAD)
Disabled Viet Nam Vet USN 68-72
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09-01-2012, 06:54 AM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Fort Myers Florida
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Most electronics including refridgerator, ac, tv are damaged by low voltage. Some campgrounds are notorious for this. Right now, I am looking at the voltage in the campground I am in. It reads 105 volts. If it drops down below 103 volts my surge guard will shut power down to save my electronics. I HiGHLY recommend protecting yourself from these conditions. Ac and refridgerator are not cheap!
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09-01-2012, 08:02 AM
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Winnebago Master
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Location: Southern Ontario
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I have a Progessive Industries 50 amp unit with the display mounted inside the coach. Most of the times it has activated have been the result of incorrect wiring or missing grounds in CG pedestals. It has operated several times on over or under voltage - mostly under voltage. Many of the older CGs have systems that are now operating at or near peak capacity and in periods of high usage, the line voltage is likely to drop. This can be extremely damaging to electronics. The surge guard Winnebago is installing will provide some of the protection and is certainly better than noting. It is unfortunate that they didn't go the full mile and install a complete system.
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09 Journey 39Z
Southern Ontario
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09-04-2012, 04:39 PM
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Winnebago Camper
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bay I
The surge guard that is installed in my 42QD is built in to the transfer switch. Transfer switch Model #41260. Not sure if this has over/under voltage or not but it automatically switches to generator if if sees issues. Below is from TRC's surge guard website.
The Surge Guard line of automatic transfer switches ensures continuous power to your coach by monitoring shore power and automatically switching to generator power when it detects electrical issues that could impact performance of equipment in your motorhome. The 41260 provides basic surge protection of 2600 joules at 76,400 Amps. Additional features include:
[*]Protects RV bumper to bumper from faulty park power.[*]Provides the following protection:
[*]Open neutral[*]Reverse polarity
[*]Time Delay at Power Up (Shore 3-4 Sec., Generator 30 Sec.)[*]Multi-mode Surge Suppression[*]Mechanical interlocking contactors.[*]UL Approved ATS - full transfer switch rating, UL1008..
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I just posted a question. I own a 2012 Ellipse.....do you think it necessary to first turn your gen off prior to connecting to shore power? On hot days when I run the AC units with the gen running, it is nice to leave the gen on until you get hooked to shore power but I notice that the AC units will quit for a while when I do,this?
Do you think I am ok doing this or am I wrong?
Thanks for your opinion.
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09-06-2012, 12:08 AM
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Winnebago Master
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Litchfield Park, Arizona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Largeandy
I just posted a question. I own a 2012 Ellipse.....do you think it necessary to first turn your gen off prior to connecting to shore power? On hot days when I run the AC units with the gen running, it is nice to leave the gen on until you get hooked to shore power but I notice that the AC units will quit for a while when I do,this?
Do you think I am ok doing this or am I wrong?
Thanks for your opinion.
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I think it's a matter of "good practice" as opposed to something you have to do. I try not to change power source from gennie to shore when there are large loads to avoid slamming the transfer switch too hard. Might just make it last longer.
Rick
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