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Old 11-04-2018, 07:27 PM   #29
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As far as removing the trim... 1st this should be a warranty issue and then it is up to the dealer to remove. If you want to try it yourself, the bottom just pulls off. The left side is not to hard. Push on the outside and slightly bend it towards you while trying to push it towards the frig to remove the trim from the clips that hold it. It is tricky. The right side is the same method but is harder because of the door hinges. If you take off the door, you can probably do it much easier.

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My View was built in March 2018 but it is a 2019 model. I could see the fuse behind the top grill. I also noticed a side access panel cut in the side wall of the adjacent pantry/closet (Model 24V, I don't know if this is the case for 2018 models or other View floorplans).

Once I removed the access panel I can easily access the fuse. Glad I can go this route, I notice the refrigerator has a tether cable secured to the back. The refrigerator might have come out an inch if I tried to pull it out.
Also, verified there is a 15 amp fuse at the coach fuse panel that also protects this power feed.
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Old 01-05-2019, 08:07 PM   #30
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@ Kayak --- Re. Air Dam

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BTW, our DE0061 keeps great temps with the air dam in place, no complaint there at all.
Waiting for the dust to settle...

What is the "Air Dam? Where is it located in the refrigerator?



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My thermostat was replaced in Aug 2017 along with removing the fuse on top of refrigerator. At forest City a week after I bought the 18 ND. So they have knowen about this problem a very long time. My refrigerator runs 10 minutes on and 10 minutes off. set at 4.1
We also have the access panel in the pantry on the side wall on the 2018 Navion D


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Old 01-06-2019, 02:42 PM   #31
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DC Refrigerator in 2018 Navion

Removed the fuse from top of refrigerator.
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Old 01-11-2019, 02:34 PM   #32
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When I bring it back for additional service, I'm going to formally request the refrigerator be replaced. Be interesting to hear the response.
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When I brought the Navion back to the dealer, I reviewed the history of the refrigerator (which the dealer was familiar with) and requested the unit be replaced under warranty. After testing by the dealer they agreed and sent their recommendation to Winnebago to replace the unit. Due to some confusion related to who (Norcold or Winnebago) was responsible for authorizing the replacement (don't even think about asking more!) agreement was reached and a new refrigerator was shipped and installed on January 3rd. I picked it up the next day.

To monitor the new refrig's performance I parked the Navion in front of my house for a few days. When I parked, the batteries were fully charged and I decided to run on batteries only. After the first night (Friday) the batteries were about 50% discharged. The next day (Saturday) I ran some errands and ran the generator (propane version) a bit. The weather was scattered clouds so the solar didn't fully recharge but there was enough power to run another night. There was one isolated hiccup at about 10:45 AM but it didn't seem to repeat itself.

Followed the same routine on Sunday, which was mostly cloudy. I ran the generator quite a bit but when I stopped for the night forgot to turn off the propane valve. The resulting current draw was too much for the stock house batteries. As a result, you can see on the temperature charts where the batteries got so low (9.8V in the morning) the refrigerator turned off. While I drove around doing errands and running the generator, the refrig recovered nicely.

All in all, I'm confident enough with the new frig to start my next trip in a few weeks.

On a separate note, while I wasn't able to watch the new refrig being installed I was able to take a photo of the old refrig in it's carton waiting to be returned to Norcold. Previously the round glass barrel shaped fuse was replaced with the flat one shown.

The 2nd photo shows the new refrig installed, to best of my knowledge, as delivered from Norcold, with the same type fuse. I need to confirm this with the dealer, i.e., that they didn't make any mods to the fuse assembly.

This go me thinking that I just don't understand how the type of fuse or having or not having a fuse would affect the normal operation of the refrigerator as has been discussed. I would really appreciate understanding what I'm missing here ...

In the meantime, I'm going to put together an air dam barrier, go on my next trip, and consider the refrigerator a done deal ...

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Old 01-11-2019, 03:06 PM   #33
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This go me thinking that I just don't understand how the type of fuse or having or not having a fuse would affect the normal operation of the refrigerator as has been discussed. I would really appreciate understanding what I'm missing here ...
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Iím with you, Wayne. I have not removed the fuse on mine because I just donít understand how it might render the refrigerator haywire. Iíve even monitored the temperature of the fuse with an infrared thermometer and see virtually no change in it with the refrigerator running or idle.

Meanwhile, Iíve learned to simply adjust my homemade air dam to essentially regulate the temps in the refrigerator and freezer sections. That worked wonderfully well last summer for about five months straight as well as a few shorter trips/stays in the View. My goal is to keep the refrigerator 38-40į and the freezer at 5-8į. Works consistently well enough to call it good!
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:57 PM   #34
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Removed the glass fuse on top of Refrigerator

When I looked at the wire feeding the refrigerator I found the fuse had not been removed as I was told by WBC. So I cut it out the fuse and wire nut the wires back together. The wire cover coming out of the fuse was burn and the glass fuse was discolored from the heat. 18 Navion D
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Old 01-12-2019, 09:20 AM   #35
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The wire cover coming out of the fuse was burn and the glass fuse was discolored from the heat. 18 Navion D
Makes me wonder if there's a problem with the original fuse fixture itself, e.g., some condition that allows the fixture to overheat. I seem to remember reading a post on another forum where the OP said shaking the fuse fixture caused the DE-0061 to turn off. An intermittent connection of some sort that generates arcing ... ?
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Old 01-28-2019, 07:45 AM   #36
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I have a 2019 Navion D. In see an access panel inside the adjacent cabinet. As I look thru the grill, I don't see any fuse but I do see what could be a splice 1/2 way over the back edge of the refer itself so I cannot say what was actually done. I have been dry camping for the past week now. My batteries ( stock) will be at 11.8 or there about in the morn ing with them at appx 12.6-9 when I go to bed. It is also cold enough I have my furnace set to 68 and it cycles on and off to hold, so I know that fan is drawing some juice as well but I don't know how much. I hear that fan go on once in a while thru the night but I do not notice the refer cycling very often. No problem maintaining cold temp in refer. I'm guessing WB made the mod on mine when built (7-18)
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Old 01-29-2019, 02:16 PM   #37
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It is also cold enough I have my furnace set to 68 and it cycles on and off to hold, so I know that fan is drawing some juice as well but I don't know how much. (7-18)
The propane solenoid draws 2 AH which will use a fair amount of power overnight, unless you have the power saving mod installed. Of course, that's better than freezing ...


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Old 02-05-2019, 12:24 PM   #38
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Why not turn the refer off at night? Won't lose much cold if the doors are tight and the seals good.
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Old 04-16-2019, 06:48 AM   #39
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I just purchased a new 2018 View & could not be more surprised to find the refrigerator alone is draining the batteries overnight. I do a lot of dry camping & this is a huge problem.

Winnebago sent me this response to the problem:
Subject: RE: 10X54781 - 2018 View questions

Dear Robert,

When you get the coach to the dealer what they are going to do is pull the fridge out the opening and back by the T-stat there is an in-line glass fuse. The dealer is going to eliminate that glass fuse and install an in-line blade fuse. What is happening is the glass fuse is acting like a resettable breaker. Once it heats up a little it will shut the compressor down, once the fuse cools it will then bring the compressor back on causing the fridge to short cycle draining the battery much faster than normal. This is a situation that we have ran into with another coach and this was the cure.

I returned it twice to the dealer. First visit they said the fuse, refrigerator & batteries were fine & I should just adapt to it.

Were you able to upgrade your batteries? The latest version of the View is including Group 31 batteries w/ 2000 w inverter in place of the Group 24 batteries & 1000 w inverter, but I have not be able to get Winnebago to reply possibility of making this change.
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Old 04-16-2019, 08:36 AM   #40
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I have a new 2019 D, built in December. I installed two golf cart batteries. I have a very accurate battery monitor. It is set to show 0%, when the batteries are half discharged. Running my fridge overnight, I typically use about 50% of my safe usable battery. This means I have really used 25% of my total battery capacity. The fridge cycles on and off frequently, as this is the way a low draw compressor works best. I am set at #4 on the fridge and it keeps the freezer at, or below, 10 degrees.



Overall, the fridge works well and two golf cart batteries are plenty for overnight use. Next step for me would be two lithium batteries, to essentially double the battery capacity.
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Old 04-16-2019, 08:57 AM   #41
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Barney,
It is disappointing that we are having to replace batteries on a brand new RV to address the use of an all electric Refrigerator over the old 3-way refrigerators.
What batteries did you switch to?
Mine came with 2 generic NAPA batteries. I was looking at replacing them with 2 DEKA AGM 12v batteries, if there is no way to retrofit the current Group 24 batteries to Group 31.
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Old 04-16-2019, 09:04 AM   #42
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I had extra golf cart batteries, from a previous rig. They are standard 220 amp-hour, comparable to Trojan T105. The Napa batteries are one, of several areas, where Winnebago used poor judgment. I did need to modify the battery hold downs to handle the golf carts. Otherwise, it was an easy install.


Any decent golf cart batteries would be far superior to the Napa.
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