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Old 01-21-2005, 07:28 AM   #1
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Shortly after we took delivery of our 39W I looked underneath and was surprised to see a substantial amount of rust. My No. 2 son is an MEng and I sent him the four pictures I took of the missing bolts in the gennie (photos were sent to Winnie as well). My son and aother engineer I sent them to both expressed surprise at the amount of rust visible. So, I took some photos of the undercarriage and sent them to my son and the other engineer. They both, independently suggested that all the rusted areas should be wire brushed and then an oil spray or something similar be used for protection.

I've sent the photos off the Winnie as well and they have passed them on to Freightliner for comments.

Within a month of getting the coach I was talking to the FTL help desk on another matter and expressed my surprise about the rust. The fellow said that the dealer should have power washed the undercarriage, especially since the coach was driven from Iowa to Ontario in the winter so it would have had a lot of snow, slush and salt on it.

Anyone else finding a substantial amount of rust underneath the coach?
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Old 01-21-2005, 07:28 AM   #2
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Shortly after we took delivery of our 39W I looked underneath and was surprised to see a substantial amount of rust. My No. 2 son is an MEng and I sent him the four pictures I took of the missing bolts in the gennie (photos were sent to Winnie as well). My son and aother engineer I sent them to both expressed surprise at the amount of rust visible. So, I took some photos of the undercarriage and sent them to my son and the other engineer. They both, independently suggested that all the rusted areas should be wire brushed and then an oil spray or something similar be used for protection.

I've sent the photos off the Winnie as well and they have passed them on to Freightliner for comments.

Within a month of getting the coach I was talking to the FTL help desk on another matter and expressed my surprise about the rust. The fellow said that the dealer should have power washed the undercarriage, especially since the coach was driven from Iowa to Ontario in the winter so it would have had a lot of snow, slush and salt on it.

Anyone else finding a substantial amount of rust underneath the coach?
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Old 01-21-2005, 07:43 AM   #3
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Thanks for reminding me that I haven't gotten under there with some black rustoleum and a wire brush. It's been on my to do list since about day 3.

I was surprised too. Winnebago brags about dipping everything, but it appears that while the components are dipped, they are welded together to the coach after, wrecking areas of the coating.

If I talk a wire brush and paint to Florida next week, think I'll have enough time? Argghhh.

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Old 01-21-2005, 09:45 AM   #4
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Tim, I guess you know who one of the two engineeers is.

I've put the photos I sent Winnie of the missing bolts and the rust on a photosite - have a look and see if this resembles your rust.

Hit the collections dated Jan 20.

Rust and Gennie bolts

I have to say I'm not nuts about the idea of spending the winter under the coach here in Florida with a wire brush.

Now, about your trip to Florida - are you buy some chance going to be on the other side where a certain 24 hour race is going to run in early Feb? Looks like the best lineup in many decades.

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Old 01-21-2005, 11:23 AM   #5
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Don,
Your pictures prompted me to drive down to my storage facility to take a look. I've been under my unit several times and didn't remember that much rust.

As I thought, I don't have nearly as much rust as your photos show. My unit was built in 10/03 and has been in FL since shortly after it was built.

As you probably know, EVERYTHING rusts in FL. Even had a stainless steel prop on my boat that rusted! Surprising that road salt would cause more problem than being here in rusty Florida.
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Looks a lot like some areas of mine. Mostly where welds are though, like in the slide photo above the HWH slider.

Things rust in Florida? Road salt is like driving IN the ocean, not just near it. Last brake job on my winter beater was a bit of a surprise. The wear indicators (the small metal tabs that are supposed to make noise when the pad gets thin) had rusted away!

And yup, Daytona Febuary 3rd through the 6th. First race for our '05 Mustangs. There will be at least three, and as many as five in the race (The Grand Am Cup race on Friday, a 200 miler.)
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Old 01-21-2005, 12:24 PM   #7
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Tim, I was tempted to ask my friend (Ex VP at MM) to let me know how I could get a crew pass. Then I reflected on what I had to offer them in the pits and figured even I'd turn myself down.

But, if you know of something I could do for a couple of days, do let me know. No. 1 son (Gord is No. 2) and I went in 1999 and I have to say it sure was cold in the middle of the night - extremely cold with the wind that blows across the infield into the stands.
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Old 01-21-2005, 12:28 PM   #8
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Tom, the MH has been in Palmetto area since November. I've rolled under a number of other coaches in the park and have seen nothing even approaching the amount of rust I have - and several are much older. I have to say I was impressed with an 03 Mountainaire - virtually no rust underneath and so much of the undercarriage was sealed off that I was amazed. It is on a Spartan chassis. Had a late model Wanderlodge come in the other day and it is parked next to a vintage WL (perhaps 12 years old) and I'm going to go over and see if they will allow me to roll under for a look. An 03 Mandalay and a 5 or 6 year old Foretravel looked faily clean in comparison.
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Don,
Sounds like someone is researching their NEXT coach

I think the Mountainaire on the Spartan chassis would be high on my list, but I'm forced to live with reality.

Saw an interesting thing when I went to check on rust. On either side of the radiator area there are large brackets that look like maybe they are one attachment for the rear cap. Four large bolts in each side. One of my bolts had a washer and NO nut. How that washer has stayed on I'll never know. Another nut was right at the end of the bolt (about 1/2 inch from being tight against the bracket). Couldn't move it with my fingers so it's probably cross-threaded. Might be worth a check on yours...
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Old 01-21-2005, 02:59 PM   #10
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Tom, I hope I'm not researching a new coach - that is the last thing I need now. I'd just like to be happy with this one without having a lawyer sue everyone in sight to get there.
I don't like doing that and I'm hoping the responsible parties will make sure we get what we paid for - and we didn't get a 25%+ discount like you folks get in the US - in fact, not ever 20%.
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....ever heard of Amsoil MP/HD it is a protective coating....wash coach on the underside with plain water -take it for a hour drive to get it dry go nuts with the spray can-get a Amsoil dealer to get it for you about $4.50 a can or so....I've been using it for 2 years now and I really like the results better than Ziebart-though not as will as KenCoat Protective but it is a lot easier to use....geof kaye....[enjoy your vacation]
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If I remember correctly from my chemistry classes, if you spray Phosphoric acid onto iron oxide (rust) you get iron phosphate(primer). Then paint it with your spray can of black paint. It should last for life. You can buy phosphoric acid at any place that sells steel beams and girders. Be careful of how you put the acid on.
Don't get it on skin or in eyes.
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I found phosphoric acid in the paint department an ordinary hardware store, under the name of Ospho. The quart bottle was about $5. and you can put some in a spray bottle, wear eye protection, and go to work. Just like Norman said, it turns rust into black primer when it dries. It's also sold in spray cans under the name "Extend", I think in Home Depot or Lowes.
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Capt.Bill,

I'm glad I brought my problem about the missing and broken bolts to the attention of this forum. It further substantiates my position with Winnebago, that I'm not the only having these problems, as they try to make me believe.

What response have you received if any from them?

Those people who own coaches, need to get of their duffs and check things out, or they may be is a situation they wished never happened. Problems like the this, that we bring to these forums are serious and need to be addressed and remedied post hast(asap).

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