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Old 02-03-2014, 02:12 PM   #1
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Rear grill fell off

I am doing the last few check before we leave on Thursday. I opened the rear door to check the oil and the grill fell off. I would post picture but my internet is limited at the moment. Thankfully the radiator core was only slightly dented and not punctured.

As best as I can tell, the stuff they used at the factory just simply broke free, leaving not a trace of adhesion on the mounting metal. The only thing holding this heavy grill on was the epoxy that oozed into the holes in the aluminum mounting bars. Not strong at all. I plan on drilling each mark on the door and mounting the grill with pop rivets.

Once again, quality control is the issue here. The bonding material used was not sufficiently suited for longevity in this application. I know others have had this happen with the front door hinges.

Come on Winnebago. Use some common sense. This should have never, ever been an issue.

Pictures will follow when the camp internet is back up.
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:40 PM   #2
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This is not a new issue. It has been contructed this way atleast since 2004. There are various opions/methods as to how best to reattach it in multiple posts
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:51 PM   #3
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Mine is held on with stainless steel carriage bolts ... mine fell off during inspection at delivery in March of 2004 ... dealer installed the stainless steel bolts ... end of problem
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:51 PM   #4
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Theoretically the epoxy used should never come off if applied correctly but as you witnessed, it was not. I had a stop simply fall off under the engine cowl. Fortunately I found it on the ground. i looked at it and found the epoxy had been applied to a surface that had been contaminated with what looks like paint.....poor quality control....
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Old 02-03-2014, 05:50 PM   #5
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I had the same thing happen on our old coach( 2011 40 u) I used jb weld as well as stainles button head bolts, if you place the bolts onder the fins you will not see them without looking hard. One consulation for you our 2011 40u was put together much beter than our 2013 42qd just a caution check the latches on the front cap they let lose on me soon after the engine cover did
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Old 02-03-2014, 06:26 PM   #6
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I had the same problem on my1999 diesel Chieftain and on my 2008 Tour . Winnebago continues to glue these engine covers on even though customers have complained for years about failures.
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Old 02-03-2014, 07:46 PM   #7
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I had the same thing happen to the rear engine hood on my 2006 Journey. Lucky me cause it happened in my driveway right after I got home from a trip. The epoxy that Winnebago uses is not the problem! It's the preparation of the metal that the epoxy was bonded to. If you will notice, the epoxy is bonded strong to the fiberglass hood while not bonded to the metal framework of the hood.The metal framework is powder coated and should have been sanded down before any bonding took place.

I removed the frame from the coach and ground down the metal in the areas that were to be bonded to the hood. I also sanded down the areas on the hood where bonding were to take place. JB Weld was used to rebond all areas and then I clamped the hood and bracket and let it sit overnight.

The final result was a good as or better than new engine compartment hood.

Now as for the hood on the front of my coach, I was on the road when it came loose so I ended up drilling some holes and using some 3/16 x 1/2 inch pop rivets. They seem to be holding good but if they get loose I will probably go the rebonding route.



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Old 02-04-2014, 07:34 AM   #8
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I had the same thing happen on our old coach( 2011 40 u) I used jb weld as well as stainles button head bolts, if you place the bolts onder the fins you will not see them without looking hard. One consulation for you our 2011 40u was put together much beter than our 2013 42qd just a caution check the latches on the front cap they let lose on me soon after the engine cover did
Isn't this interesting! Same model, same year!

I think I have pop rivets long enough to go into each of the holes, through the fiberglass first, of the aluminum mounting tubes. This should cure this problem.

I'll check the front to see if things are falling off. Thanks for the warning.

My '05 Vectra 40FD had a similar issue also.

I do wish the bean counter would step back for a while and let the folks using and building these things get together to address these repeat for years on end issues. In the long run these repeated issues will cause potential buyers to go to other brands, just like you Tom. The bean counters will loose in the long run. I hope you have better luck with your new rig and manufacture.
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Old 02-04-2014, 06:09 PM   #9
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Finished repair:

I used 3/16" x 1/2" pop rivets, 10 in all. It went smoothly. I am concerned about the hinge mountings though. They are imbedded in the same stuff. I didn't like the way that area flexed.

I hope the pictures post. I am never certain I am doing it right until I see the results.

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Old 02-04-2014, 06:16 PM   #10
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:23 AM   #11
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Thanks Rick!
Your welcome. I wish I had taken better pictures of the steps but I guess the idea and concept are getting recognized. I hope this helps many. We are not alone with this problem. It looks like every Meridian/Journey with this configuration has the potential what has happened to me.

We are relocating tomorrow. When we are settled and it gets a bit warmer I will check out the forewarned problem with the generator door.

We love our coach but the preventable issues that Winnebago builds into them are a real pain. For instance, this morning DW found a leak under the shower room sink. The trap was installed wrong. I had to cut about 2" off the tail peace to take strain off the trap gasket. All is well now. I originally found this same problem in my '05 Vectra. This issue is just one of many.
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Just went out and checked mine. The hood hinges have what looks like a 3/4" wooden backer board embedded in the fiberglass and 4 big screws hold them on. Everything around the rear grill is screwed together except for the struts. It has looks like epoxy but it has come thru the holes in the metal bracket and has been finished off nicely. That is the only thing I'll have to keep an eye on. Guess I lucked out!
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Sounds like you are saying it took Winnebago about 10 years to resolve this problem. Very expedient
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:05 PM   #14
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Thanks for the repair info. Sorry that you had to go through all of that.
I inspected my hood and I don't see where it could fall off. The louvers are welded to a metal angle that is screwed to a metal frame that is bolted to the fiberglass hood at the top and the bottom. Winnebago must have realized that they had an issue here and revised the mounting method.
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