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Old 03-05-2016, 10:52 AM   #1
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Power Gear (now Lippert) pinion gear shaft bushing failure

I have spent about a hour trying to find something like this already posted to no avail.

Here are pictures of the issue:

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The bushing on the right hand side is in two parts, the housing (silver colored) is displaced to the right and the bushing (copper) is displaced right.

The slide still works but this needs to be addressed soon.

What I don't understand is, is this a failure of the bushing, or perhaps of the gearbox.

Did the bushing just come apart?
Is there some sort of clip that is suppose to keep the bushing together?
Did the shaft move to the right and let the bushing get loose implying that there is a problem in the gearbox that is letting the shaft move?

Does anybody know how to take the load off of this shaft so that I can try to work with it?

Does the slide have to be in or can you jackup the end of the slide or is there a mechanism that applies force to the keep the pinion gear against the rack that can be loosened?

If I can get it back together even temporary it give me time to work this issue, but knowing more will help with keeping anybody I have to hire to fix this honest.

Thank you for considering my question.
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Old 03-05-2016, 12:25 PM   #2
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Best I can offer you is to consider following the directions for a manual extension/retraction of the slide. On my motors there's a rather simple to reach lever under a rubber boot that is rotated about 90 degrees. I did that on our FWS...it disengages the motor. You should also compare the affected gearing with its counterpart on the other end of the slide. Note: with the motor(s) dIsengaged the slide can move much easier so be sure you're level.
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Old 03-05-2016, 01:22 PM   #3
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Here's a diagram that will help show how it's supposed to look and the how the parts are supposed to fit together:
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Old 03-05-2016, 02:06 PM   #4
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Here's a couple of pictures of mine. You can compare what you have with how it's supposed to look. In my opinion, someone has taken it apart and did not put it back together correctly.
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That big clip may be the missing part. It is not on either of the slide shafts. I will see if there is anotch for it. Thank you for the pictures.

By the way I jogged the slide motor in just s fraction of a turn and that reduced the load on the shaft enough that with a big pin and a cheater I was able to get the bushing back together. I used coper on the left side and a wire tie (very hopeful I know) on the inside to try and keep the bushing in place for now.
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I have compared them and other than the bushing and the rust, the other one is inside the basement, they look the same.
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Old 03-05-2016, 05:26 PM   #7
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Thank you for the part diagram. Looks like item 24 is missing from both sides, unless that cotter pin serves the same function. If it does I'm not sure how given it is not very close to the bushing housing.
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That big clip may be the missing part. It is not on either of the slide shafts. I will see if there is anotch for it. Thank you for the pictures.

By the way I jogged the slide motor in just s fraction of a turn and that reduced the load on the shaft enough that with a big pin and a cheater I was able to get the bushing back together. I used coper on the left side and a wire tie (very hopeful I know) on the inside to try and keep the bushing in place for now.
First of all, those are not bushings, they are "bearing steps" (part numbers 14 & 29) with different inside diameters. If you look at mine closely you will see the flanges on the bearing steps (part numbers 14 & 29) are both on the right side of the right steel bracket with the bearing steps fitting inside one another (see photo 1803). The two nestled bearing steps are supposed to be flush with the left side of the right steel bracket (see my pictures 1800 & 1801).

Your bearing step, part no. 14, is in the wrong position and pointed the wrong way. It is the one that is closest to the pinion gear in your photos. It needs to be on the same side of the right steel bracket as part no. 29 and with the flange to the right. The flanges for both parts #14 & #29 then will on the right side of the right steel bracket as shown in my picture 1803).

That "big clip" that you are missing is part number 24 and is a "pin clip hitch". Your factory "pin clip hitch" was replaced by someone with an ordinary cotter pin. That leads me to believe that someone has taken that whole assembly apart and screwed up the placement of parts #14 and #29 and used an ordinary cotter pin instead of the factory "pin clip hitch".

Did you buy this coach used?
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Yes I bought it use from Dixie RV in Defuniak Springs, FL. We have discovered some rather strange "repairs" that required rework, so your suggestion that something was reworked wrong is consistent with other situations.

Thank you for clarifying the terminology and the design details.

The intended assembly is starting to make sense as is the failure.

Assembled properly the bearing steps are positively located by the "pin clip hitch" and the right steel bracket.

Given your demonstrated level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if you can lead me to the information necessary to assemble this properly. It seems all I need to do is get this shaft in a position such that I can get the improperly installed part #14 off the shaft and turned to install properly.

The cotter pin can serve until I can get two "pin clip hitches". Both sides have cotter pins but I think the other side is assembled correctly other than the cotter pin.

Once again thank you for your response. I find it is amazing that someone with so much useful knowledge found and responded to my posting.
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Yes I bought it use from Dixie RV in Defuniak Springs, FL. We have discovered some rather strange "repairs" that required rework, so your suggestion that something was reworked wrong is consistent with other situations.

Thank you for clarifying the terminology and the design details.

The intended assembly is starting to make sense as is the failure.

Assembled properly the bearing steps are positively located by the "pin clip hitch" and the right steel bracket.

Given your demonstrated level of knowledge I wouldn't be surprised if you can lead me to the information necessary to assemble this properly. It seems all I need to do is get this shaft in a position such that I can get the improperly installed part #14 off the shaft and turned to install properly.

The cotter pin can serve until I can get two "pin clip hitches". Both sides have cotter pins but I think the other side is assembled correctly other than the cotter pin.

Once again thank you for your response. I find it is amazing that someone with so much useful knowledge found and responded to my posting.
Well said! You have got it, man! It appears to me that only one "pin clip hitch" is needed, the others on mine are cotter pins so that's OK.

Now as to fixing the problem. Here's how I see it. The hole in the right steel bracket for the shaft is elongated or offset in a manner that would allow the shaft to be slipped sideways out of the hole. In order to do that, I would loosen the bolts that hold the motor and motor mount plate (part #23) to the far left steel bracket. That would allow the motor and plate and shaft to move back and forth sideways and allow the shaft to be moved out of the right side elongated hole.

Once that is done, remove the hex coupling (part #22) that is held in place with a set screw, off of the end of the shaft. Slip off the bearing steps. Fit the two bearing steps together so that the flanges are together and slip it back on. Put the pin clip hitch back in place to hold the bearing steps against the right steel flange and you are home free. Put the hex coupling back on, tighten the set screw, and then tighten the motor mount bolts and you've got it back to "as built factory" condition.

Good luck with fixing any other "strange repairs" that you may come across. It is a real mental game trying to figure out what the problem is, and then what was done and how it was done and then trying to bring it back to the way it's supposed to be! Sounds like you are progressing quite well though!
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I'll give it a try and post an update.o
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It looks to me like you need to jackup the slide to get the pressure of the plastic roller (15).
Without getting the pressure off of that the 3 of the 4 bolts are bound up.

I haven't come up with an idea how to lift the end of the slide inner rail. I have the trucks worm jack but nothing I would trust to fill the distance from the going to the jack.
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It looks to me like you need to jackup the slide to get the pressure of the plastic roller (15).
Without getting the pressure off of that the 3 of the 4 bolts are bound up.

I haven't come up with an idea how to lift the end of the slide inner rail. I have the trucks worm jack but nothing I would trust to fill the distance from the going to the jack.
I just checked my plastic roller (#15). With the slideout out, the plastic roller turns freely and there is at least 1/8" gap between the plastic roller (#15) and the rail above it.
Can you get the slideout out?

You may also have to loosen the four bolts that hold the plate (#23) to the left steel bracket to get enough wiggle room to get the shaft out of the right bracket.
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3 of the 4 mounting bolts are bound up, probably because of pressure on the roller (15). I can not find a way to eliminate this load and suspect the end of the inner rail needs to be lifted to do this.

I haven't conceived of a way to lift the slide end.

Look like I'll be keeping my appointment at Holiday RV and Marine.
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