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Old 10-03-2009, 09:05 AM   #1
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New CA "clean air" gas pump nozzles don't fit our vehicle !

We have a '04 Sightseer 27C on a P32. In CA few weeks ago. Found that some major service stations (Shell, Chevron, 76) are converting their gas (not diesel) pump nozzles to CA mandated "clean air" nozzles.

All well and good. Except the new handles are twice the size of the old handles and they do not permit the nozzle to go down into our filler tube and activate the pump. Our 8 inch x 8 inch door to get to the gas cap does not permit this. The handles are too wide and too high.

Had to go to other pumps or gas stations to find the old style handles. It seems that by April of 2010 all gas pumps in CA will have the new, bigger handles/nozzles.

W/I was no help. Couple of friends advised to pull the nozzle accordion rubber boot back with one hand and run the pump trigger with the other.

I was thinking of experimenting with various sizes and lengths of PVC in order to construct an "extender" so the large handle will not be an issue.

This was discussed in the Nov 09 issue of MotorHome on p.56, TechSavy, and concerned an 03 Airstream on an 02 WH chassis. No real solution given except pulling back the rubber boot.

This is probably more than a W/I issue so if the moderator wants to move this to another section, OK.

Anyone else out there, in CA or elsewhere, having this problem?
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Old 10-03-2009, 09:43 AM   #2
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Yet another reason why I am glad I dont live there anymore......
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Old 10-06-2009, 07:16 PM   #3
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Scooter....YES....I too have had this exact problem with using this new fuel nozzle. More that just once...but alot. I have attached a picture (hopefully) of the nozzle. I have written emails to Chevron, Shell and Winnebago and...well no one will help. An I too have been thinking of a donut like device to defeat the spring part of the nozzle...so you can fill up with gas. Only needs to be like 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch high to hold the spring up far enough. Let us know if you come up with a working idea.

You know others have to have run into this problem. As other States like to follow California's lead on environmental ideas...so I would think that soon coming to a State near you RV'ers will be this same device. Be prepared! It is not easy getting fuel on board with these goofy fuel nozzles!
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:06 AM   #4
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I had not thought of a doughnut-like device. Are you thinking of a bean bag or a hacky-sack with a hole in the middle, sewn up to let the nozzle through, yet engage the rubber accordion boot?

In our case it seems, offhand, the doughnut would have to be 4 inches thick. Dunno.
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:55 AM   #5
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Scooter...4 inches thick...thats a lot. Anyway I am on currently on the road and I was looking for something I had in the RV. I found a small roll of electrical tape, that has a bigger than normal center hole. Next fuel stop I tried using the roll of tape and surprise it worked. I still have some problems but at least I could fuel the RV somewhat better. I think it needs to be somewhat thicker, for my needs, anyway.

You can see by the response seen here (this issues is a BIG for some of us) but others, i.e. Winnebago could care less. The major Gas companies will not fix the problem. So a design change for the fuel inlet is needed. Good luck getting that from Winnebago anytime soon.
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Old 10-14-2009, 08:07 AM   #7
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Well, I would look in the pet stores for a dog toy that meets the specifications of 4", or maybe even two 2" doughnuts taped together.

Bozo may even have on in their toy box.

Good luck.
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Old 10-14-2009, 09:50 AM   #8
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YesMan...Had on idea this tank filling device was out there. From the looks of this it may work. Might order myself one. Still the nozzle needs to drop into the fill tube enough to open the little valve inside. If this valve does not drop, gas will not flow into the tank. But I will not know until I try this thing with these new "goofy" gas nozzles. Thanks for the idea!
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Old 10-14-2009, 10:00 AM   #9
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I ordered the V-twin McCuff today. $19.97 + $3.96 shipping. Greg told me I could return it, if it does not work.

He also told me Winnebago corporate had talked to him about the McCuff. Not sure what transpired. Greg advises about 80 W/I owners had ordered this item and none returned.....yet.

Not planning to go to CA for awhile and have not yet run into any oversized CA- type gasoline nozzles in our area (Southern OR).

Thanks, YesMan
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:08 PM   #10
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There was one of those accordion boot things on a pump where I work years ago. The thought was to not let fumes escape. It, of course worked terrible. Same issues, you couldn't get the thing pushed in enough. Finally someone put a big wire tie around the nozzle to hold the stupid boot back.
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Old 10-14-2009, 01:59 PM   #11
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No problem. Glad to help!
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Old 10-28-2009, 01:43 PM   #12
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I faxed a letter about this problem to Robert J. Olson, CEO of W/I and got a call today from Troy of W/I advising they are aware of this problem and there are a few RV'ers in CA using the McCuff. No feed back yet from them.

OK you folks in CA........have you tried the McCuff and how did it work ?

Troy's # is 800.537.1885 and Olson's fax is 641.585.6806.
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I will go one better. just stay out of Calif
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We have a 2008 Voyage 35L. The new California Healy nozzles don't fit and being a California resident that is a problem for us. Our initial solution was to modify an old oil can spout, the kind that we used to use when oil came in cans, not plastic bottles. We broke off the cutter and the nozzle became our extension. Off course you have to hold up the rubber seal or the gas won't flow and that is a pain for 50+ gallons. We have used a piece of wood to hold up the rubber seal but you still have to hold the nozzle for the entire fill. The use of the extension also has a tendency to cause an overflow as the automatic cutoff doesn't work well with the extension. Still looking for a better solution. Have not had this problem in any other states so far.

It's not just a rubber seal problem for us because you can't get the nozzle down far enough. Haven't tried the McCuff, but will give it a look.
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