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Old 08-27-2013, 12:21 PM   #1
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Angry Ceiling Fabric '04 Horizon

My ceiling fabric is all of a sudden coming loose on most panels. The foam has disintegrated (turned to powder) between the fabric and plyboard. This is a 2004 Horizon, storage kept, no leaks, only 32 k miles - so limited exposure to elements. To me this seems like a defect. When I called Winnebago, I was given an answer to just spot use 3M 74. Well, that would be oK if it were just one spot, but it is the entire ceiling, every panel. What is a fix for this?
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Old 08-27-2013, 12:29 PM   #2
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Hi,
I gave up trying to glue this material and Winnebago gave me a price of around 8,000.00 to replace it.

I ended up using wooden and plastic moldings to make large geometric patterns on the ceiling and using a finish nail gun to attach them. Around the perimeter I used molding like a crown molding after stapling the material to the ceiling then nailing the molding to cover the staples.

I used white painted molding for the patterns and stained the "crown molding" to match the interior.

To the uninitiated it looks like it came that way but a close inspection reveals the sags within the patterns.

Hope this helps

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Old 08-27-2013, 12:30 PM   #3
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DP... it is going to require a rip and replace. The disintegrated foam might be indicative of harsh cleaning chemicals.... did you buy it new?
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Old 08-27-2013, 12:54 PM   #4
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Angry Irasca Horizon Ceiling Problem

Yes, I bought it new and no harsh chemicals. Always kept in covered storage. I understand this is not uncommon due to cheap materials. In fact, I have a friend with an Allegro - same thing. Know what Tiffen said - bring it to Red Bay and we will fix it - zero dollars
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Old 08-27-2013, 01:54 PM   #5
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Hi,
I gave up trying to glue this material and Winnebago gave me a price of around 8,000.00 to replace it.

I ended up using wooden and plastic moldings to make large geometric patterns on the ceiling and using a finish nail gun to attach them. Around the perimeter I used molding like a crown molding after stapling the material to the ceiling then nailing the molding to cover the staples.

I used white painted molding for the patterns and stained the "crown molding" to match the interior.

To the uninitiated it looks like it came that way but a close inspection reveals the sags within the patterns.

Hope this helps

Roy
Sure would like to see pictures. I'm sure it would be helpful to others with the same problem.

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Old 08-27-2013, 02:03 PM   #6
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So I called Winnebago - zero help. They estimate 1500/panel to repair. Well, at 12 panels, that is 18K. Wow. I talked to them about doing an overlay and they agree its doable, juts have to trim it out. Well, that is trim carpentry 101. So, my next question - how about I just order the panels? Nope, gotta take it to a dealer. Once again, zero help. Now here is another issue: I am in the trade market for a new one. Anyone think I will even consider a Winnebago. Now, I called Tiffen and orders the panels over the phone. Which do you think I will choose???
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Old 08-28-2013, 03:50 PM   #7
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DP... I saw a coach with a partial wood ceiling.... WOW did it look great. Guy use thin laminate flooring. I wonder if it echos badly as you drive the rig down the road.
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Old 08-28-2013, 04:27 PM   #8
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My ceiling fabric is all of a sudden coming loose on most panels. The foam has disintegrated (turned to powder) between the fabric and plyboard. This is a 2004 Horizon, storage kept, no leaks, only 32 k miles - so limited exposure to elements. To me this seems like a defect. When I called Winnebago, I was given an answer to just spot use 3M 74. Well, that would be oK if it were just one spot, but it is the entire ceiling, every panel. What is a fix for this?
I came upon this product while remodeling a kitchen in an apartment. It might be a light weight alternative for your ceiling.

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I have an 05 Itasca Horizon and just had the same thing happen. All the panels from the bath bulkhead to the front dash came down in 1 day on our way home from a long trip. The vinyl separated from the foam. Called Winnebago and they said the material around that time had defective foam, but you are long out of warranty. I removed all the panels that were down, scrapped all of the foam from the wood on the ceiling.
I found an acoustic light weight carpet "wallcoverings.com". They furnished color samples and the final material at a reasonable price. Next was the glue. 3M90 was a choice, but the fumes were very bad. I chose Roman Pro 838 heavy duty adhesive. Pre cut panels to width and 1/2" over length needed. Apply medium amount of adhesive to ceiling. Put carpet in place, use a 12" x 96" piece of plywood
under the carpet to hold it in place while you use a roller to roll the edges into the the adhesive. (The plywood can be held in place by 5 or 6 1" x 1" poles) I already have a post on this issue and have photos available if you send me an email
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Old 08-29-2013, 06:11 AM   #10
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Dear Iwa South.

great comments - I am going to use the factory panels Tiffin so graciously sold me for a very good price. I will have my carpenter use your techniques.

I am so disappointed in Itasca Winnebago. One thing the guy said was - well -if you live in a hot climate its going to happen. Hmmm. A dumb statement to say the least. Based on that maybe all RV owners should not live south of Canada.

I've never been happy with Winnebago anyhow. All they care bout is dealers making big bucks, da.. m the customers
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Old 10-05-2013, 01:57 PM   #11
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I concocted a fix for about 25% of the Winnebago ridiculous quote:
I have a Itasca Horizon 2004 RV Bus, and the headliner had disintegrated. This is not an uncommon problem in older buses as the foam backing that holds the fabric to the ceiling Luan board will disintegrate over time. There was not an easy fix. The manufacturer, Winnebago (who seemed to not really care) wanted upwards of 20K and that would be for me to drive it to Iowa and leave it for an untold amount of time. They were not really interested and no Winnebago dealer could understand what I wanted. I even tried upholstery and trim shops, as cars and boats often have the same problem. I had the idea to buy new composite factory panels, strip off the old fabric and do just an overlay on the existing Luan board. This technique eliminated the need to further strip out the Styrofoam roof insulation to the skin (which is what Winnebago said as the only way to fix it!). In fact, Winnebago would not even sell me the new factory panels (luan+foam+fabric composite) – I had to buy them from their competitor – Tiffin, who was very gracious selling them to me.
I recognized this fix as not a whole lot different than detailed home trim work – literally a house on wheels. No one seemed to want the challenge – what I kept getting was…. well this is an RV. Even the handyman I had used for years (that will be past-tense now) said… “I do not know how to work on an RV – you need to get an RV specialist”.
Then came Alan, ACB Home Services in Bulverde, Texas, who I found on Angie’s List. The fix involved stripping off the old fabric, then sanding the existing Luan board clean to remove all the old deteriorated foam. He used the old fabric for template patterns and cut the new panels to fit. He then cemented the new Luan to the old clean Laun board. This added about ” thickness to the ceiling. It also avoided gutting the Styrofoam insulation to the skin – which is what Winnebago said had to be done. The newly overlaid panels were then trimmed out to the walls using stained wood trim. Nothing in the RV had to be removed to do the work. I cannot say enough about how good it looks and the results –because the trim is wood, looks better than the cheap original cheap plastic used by Winnebago. It looks better than new.
I am really down on Winnebago. They did not offer much of anything, and again did not seem to care. It was out of warranty so it was simply my problem – not even a suggested fix, other than their ridiculous fix of stripping everything to the skin. Winnebago in my opinion does not have a customer focus (but they sure have a dealer focus), in fact I would call their attitude rather cavalier. In fact, this was not my first issue with Winnebago by a long shot
I am going to sell my 2004 RV and buy a new one, but for sure it WILL not be a Winnebago. I would not recommend Winnebago to anyone. Tiffin comes to mind. I previously had an Allegro, and Tiffin is a pleasure doing business with.
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Old 10-06-2013, 06:46 AM   #12
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Excellent summary and thanks for letting us know the results
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