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Old 08-09-2018, 06:33 PM   #1
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Question Winnebago Spirit 22R - towing a toad?

I got a 2016 Winnebago Itasca Spirit 22R (Ford E350 chassis).

According to the operator's manual:
GVWR = 11,500
GAWR (front) = 4,600
GAWR (rear) = 7,800
GCWR = 13,000

My wife's car (are potential "toad") is a 2013 Honda CR-V, which weighs around 3,400 lb. total (with fuel, and everything except driver/passenger).

I know how to do the math and figure out if I can actually tow it without exceeding the weight limits, etc., but I'm wondering if anyone actually has experience towing a "toad" with any Winnebago 22R variant (doesn't have to be Itasca Spirit)? I'm specifically talking about "flat towing," so no dolly, etc.

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Old 08-09-2018, 06:55 PM   #2
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I believe that GCWR is actually 18,500 for your Spirit 22R - E350.

For sure you will want to have brake assist on the CR-V, to maintain safe stopping distances and not over-tax the brakes on the E350 chassis.

If it was actually 13,000 that would be a HUGE issue and you could basically tow nothing.

If it is 18,500 then you should be fine pulling a CRV. The hitch receiver and chassis connection to it are rated 7,500, but check your stickers and with Winnebago as that does not seem like a reasonable upper limit for a E350 based chassis.
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You know, I've seen other sources that say it's 18,000, but here's the excerpt from my owner's manual (granted, I downloaded it, so not sure if it's up to par or not. I shall look at the hardcopy later, when I find it):



This is part of the reason I'm posting the question here, is to find out if any 22R owner has experience towing any toads.

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Old 08-10-2018, 04:50 AM   #4
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Which engine is in your coach- the V-10 or the V-8?
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It's the E350, which is V8.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:43 PM   #6
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Sorry to say it looks like you can't tow the CRV with the 350 chassis model, but you could have if you had the optional 450 chassis. Looks like Winnebago limits your specific version to 1,500 pounds. You should call Winnebago with your Serial # and discuss. Perhaps the manual is in error but it's doubtful.
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Shouldn't all this be detailed on a plate or plates at the driver's door? This would be specific to your vehicle and should eliminate any guesswork.
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Part of the problem is that the sticker on the door only specifies GVWR and GAWR, but not GCWR.
See below:
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The only place I was able to find the GCWR for the 2016 model year was the Trailer and Towing Guide, page 20:

Ford Body Builder Advisory Services - Publications then,
2016 Trailer and Towing Guide

Apparently, Ford offered the E-350 cutaway with either a V-8 or a V-10, hence my earlier question. Winnebago, it appears, only offered the 22R in the E-350/V-8 (13,000 GCWR) or the E-450/V-10 (22,000 GCWR) versions. See the brochure, here. Do yourself a favor, though, and look under the hood to see if you have a V-8 or a V-10.

The hitch is limited to 5,000 pounds draw bar/350 pound max. vertical weight, in either case.

For 2017-and-later Spirits, it appears as if Winnebago went with the V-10 across the line.
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Yeah, it's a V8. We're going on a trip next month (not towing anything), so we'll weigh it and get an idea if we have any wiggle room under the 13000 lb. GCWR limit or not.
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So, I weighed it (fully loaded with water, fuel, wife and cats) and unfortunately it's 10,140 lb. total. With my calculations, if I tow my wife's CR-V (about 3,300) - we would be 500-600 lb. overweight (due to the 13,000 lb. GCWR limit)! What a bummer. Do you guys think I should still call Winnebago and ask the question?
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So, I weighed it (fully loaded with water, fuel, wife and cats) and unfortunately it's 10,140 lb. total. With my calculations, if I tow my wife's CR-V (about 3,300) - we would be 500-600 lb. overweight (due to the 13,000 lb. GCWR limit)! What a bummer. Do you guys think I should still call Winnebago and ask the question?
Your door sticker really tells the story. They will not tell you anything else than that. Have you looked at a Honda Fit? We were looking at those but the commodore didn't feel it was big enough so we got a 2013 CRV. The Fit is lighter weight...
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I figured I'll give a quick update to everyone that assisted me in this topic:
To solve the issue, we traded in our 2016 Spirit 22R for a 2017 Spirit 25B (with a Ford E450 chassis), so now our GCWR is 22,000 lb.! What a step up in towing capacity. My wife also loves the 25B floorplan over the 22R. We're super excited! Just drove it home yesterday. Now going to shop for the towing parts and already got a quote for installation.
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